[geocentrism] Re: KJV, apocrypha
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:21:12 -0500
Gary -- Glad to hear you're KJV. We need a Scripture we can rely on if we
are to rely on Scripture for our authority. If none of them are right, how
can we be trust scripture for authority at all?
Re Apocrypha, IMHO the translators' job was not to establish canon but
rather to search the manuscripts of the canon they were given to find the
true ones and then to render the most perfect, accurate translation they
could, with God's annointing and help, provide.
It appears to me they succeeded in rendering a perfect job of providing us
with a perfect Bible. Typos made as a result of the typesetters that had to
be corrected later I do not think qualifies later versions as "revisions,"
but rather as tidying up the printing. The KJV itself was a culmination of
the works of the Tyndale Bible, Geneva Bible, Bishops Bible, others also --
and the translators were familiar with all of them and used all of them in
putting together the KJV.
William Tyndale especially had most of his stuff included intact in the KJV.
This was the time of Shakespeare and the culmination of the English
language, and God's Word sounds like you would think His Word would sound in
KJV.
As to the apocrypha, the ones determining OT canon, the Jews, did not
immediately triumph over the Catholics who wanted the apocrphyat included,
did not resolve the dispute over the apocrypha until after the Middle Ages.
The Jews had rejected this from their OT canon. The Jews have more
authority in this regard as it pertains to the apocrypha so their opinion
prevailed.
I don't know about the stablish and establish. Seems like they are the same
word. The argument I always hear used to discredit KJV is the use of hte
word Easter.
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:09 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Plenum and firmament
>
> Cheryl,
>
> Don't sell yourself short. You'll be up to speed with me in no time. I
> haven't a very long history with this subject at all. I kind of see us
> coming from a similar background. As a born and raised 45 year old
Baptist,
> I also tend to say KJV, but it's this thing of inerrancy that still has me
> bugged, I'll tell you. Yes, Dr. Bouw's a purist as far as the KJV goes
and
> believes to be inerrant. But I don't know. I wonder how we can say the
KJV
> is anything without specifying the exact KJV we are talking about?
>
> Did you know that when the 1611 KJV was printed it included the Apocrypha?
> So what gives that we now do not have that in the KJV? If we are going to
> ascribe some clearer connection to God for the translators of our Bible
> version, hadn't we better learn just what the true product is they came up
> with?
>
> I have read that our KJV came into existence about 1881. Again, I'm no
> expert. But I do know that I own two KJV's. One renders the Psalm (I
> believe it's 93:1 here) as "stablish" while the other as "establish".
>
> That's not a big deal perhaps, but it goes to show you there are
differences
> between even the modern printings of the KJV. I'm sure there are vastly
> more erudite folks to talk about this than myself, however.
>
> No, I haven't read Gordon Bane. I'll google him when I get the chance.
>
> See, you're already asking the same question I have about the plenum and
the
> firmament. Perhaps Robert or the others will chime in here.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gary Shelton
>
>
> > Gary -- I've not read your links yet, but I will. Being a woman, my
brain
> > doesn't work like the rest of yours. I don't get the engineering, math
> and
> > physics stuff the way you all seem to so easily grasp it all. But I
have
> > intuition, a sense of where to look for the truth, an intuitive sense of
> > what it is when I recognize it. I am also logical. We all need logic
and
> > humility, a willingness to accept the truth once we find it. I do have
> some
> > biases/presuppositions -- I believe in God and I believe God is Good,
and
> I
> > believe His Word is contained in the KJV only as Scripture.
> >
> > Other than that, I will consider anything as possible as long as it
lines
> up
> > with the other three suppositions/biases I have.
> >
> > Have you read any of Gordon Bane's stuff, The Geocentric Bible? He
says
> > all the answers to cosmology are in the scriptures. He believes every
> > scripture has a mate, that there's another scripture located somewhere
> > between the two covers that explains and fulfils any other scripture.
> >
> > He speaks continuously of the plenum and the firmament. It is true, is
it
> > not, that the Copernican people don't believe in either one of these
> > concepts? Is it not true also that a proper understanding of both of
> these,
> > plenum and firmament, will answer all the other questions?
> >
> > Is there agreement in this list/group as to what exactly the plenum and
> the
> > firmament is? If so, could you explain it to me kind of the way you did
> the
> > geocentric model?
> >
> > Cheryl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 2:58 AM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> >
> >
> > > Cheryl,
> > >
> > > I have provided the following link before. But it is a very good link
> to
> > a
> > > heated discussion between Gary Hoge and Robert Sungenis. Mr. Hoge
> firmly
> > > believes that the geo satellites (synchronous and stationary and
polar)
> > > solidly prove the earth is turning. Mr. Sungenis denies that.
> > >
> > > You'd have to give Mr. Hoge the prize for this particular debate, but
I
> > > don't think it's by any means the end of the debate.
> > >
> > > That link is:
> > > http://catholicoutlook.com/gps1.php
> > >
> > > Read and learn all of this and you'll be very knowledgeable indeed.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Gary Shelton
> > >
>
>
>
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