[geocentrism] Re: Invitation
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:00:08 +1000
I look forward to his response but don't hold your breath. He know s he will
get creamed! He has no time for people who say 'God did it' but has plenty of
time for those who say 'first there was nothing then it exploded and then
against all the odds out came life miraculously'Jack..
But Jack from outside the discussion, and allowing for no bias either way, I
can see that both points of view, are equally frustrating. But the rationalist
has the greater case. To a person who sees GOD as nothing, and we cannot
substantiate Him as being anything but "spirit", which to a physicist is
"nothing", then his, the rationalists, view of the universe as being
unexplainable by anything other than some strange and complex mechanism has to
be more realistic and more rational than it being designed and made out of
nothing by a fairy, even a super duper omnipotent fairy.
Philosophcally, having no bias, I can see, "God created it." and "'first there
was nothing then it exploded and then against all the odds out came life "
as equal value statements... But as a physicist, I see it as imcompatible
opposites.
However, without having ever read Dawkins, I can bet you are oversimplifying
the evolutionist position as regards the big bang. The universe did not come
out of nothing. It was/is/will be always there in some form, which in physics
could be some form of energy cycling process. This is a quite rational view. At
least it has to a rationalist , more substance than our resorting to a
spiritual Supreme being, based upon no evidence whatsoever, and on faith alone
to explain existence.
If you kept throwing God at me in support of creation as opposed to the
rationalist explanation I proposed for existence, I would be justly excused for
being annoyed. You would be and are being un-scientific.
Your correct approach would be to offe a separate discussion on "Is there a
Supreme Intelligence called God." To which Dawkins or any other rationalist
has the right to decline, or if he has the grace to seek, accept.
We cannot rationally mix the two subjects together..
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Invitation
I look forward to his response but don't hold your breath. He know s he will
get creamed! He has no time for people who say 'God did it' but has plenty of
time for those who say 'first there was nothing then it exploded and then
against all the odds out came life miraculously'. If you read any of his
comments about people of faith especially Christians you will see that take-up
of your offer is unlikely - unless there is some money in it. Dawkins is not a
rational, scientifically unbiased, objective man, he is obsessively
anti-anybody who is not an evolutionist.
With regard to us being courteous, it will be Dawkins who will be first to
start name-calling. He can be extremely rude to his detractors.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: contact@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:37 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Invitation
To Richard Dawkins
From Paul Deema
Richard
I am essentially the sole dissenting voice on a christian cosmology forum
which lives at //www.freelists.org/archives/geocentrism/. In a recent
post, I asked a member, had he read anything by Richard Dawkins, which led via
several exchanges to a request from our moderator, Dr Neville Jones, asking me
to approach you with an invitation to join.
There are about 25 members but only around 10 are active posters. You can
get a feeling for the forum if you visit the address given above. The most
recent month's postings appear under the year and month at the top, but within
the month group, the most recent post is at the bottom.
Should you choose to join, or just visit with us, I have been assured that
you will be accorded every courtesy.
I look forward to your positive response.
Paul D
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