[geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:03:04 +1000
Neville.. First up, Tobin in australia is a non event.. apart from my emails
I would not have known about it. Maybe it got a small mention..
Now to the lie subject and the RC subject, I answer within yours below .
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite
Philip,
Yes, you are right. A lie is a lie, irrespective of whether the person
telling it is aware of the truth or not. I stand corrected. I did not think
you needed correction.. In the context I did not get that impression even on a
second read. I was merely trying to differentiate between the objective and
subjective sins. (errors).
As for the Catholic church, I cannot see where your belief in its
God-ordained position comes from. I know that a large chunk of your belief
system comes from the Fatima story, but to be undeniable, the link must be
obvious to all and everyone surely? Whilst Fatima was an enormous sign meant
for the whole world, and even given its suppression laterly by the media or
secular world, it was not so always ignored.. Two movies , MGM surprisingly,
and the church had some quite spectacular demonstrations with millions of
people involved, all media recorded. Today even the Church (obviously
Jucontrolled) has closed the subject as finished. I should say, this began with
1960, when the POPE? was supposed to reveal the third secret. We'd been
waiting so long for it, and so was the world media.
But my belief in its (the Churches ) God-ordained position , does not come
from Fatima.
As much as all real miracles come from God, in support of His existence and
His words, Fatima is just one that cannot escape notice, because of its
magnitude, and its recentness in that it was scientifically recorded. So
supernatural is it, that whilst the scientists want it under the carpet, the
antiCatholics claim it is a manifestation of the Devil. Could the Devil divide
the sea for Moses? But there are many miracles to encourage faith..
No , specifically , my belief in the ordination of the institution of the
Church comes directly from scripture... This Scripture is straight forward ,
and so disconcerting to protestants that they need to resort to the Greek in
argument to distort what in English is straight forward. I say to them, if the
Bible is all you need to know all the truths of God, why is it necessary to
call on experts in ancient Greek? I call on the Apostles who have a direct link
by ordination (laying of hands) to the apostles of Christ. Who are the more
likely to be authorised by God? Ancient Greek scholars, or His apostles. Simon
Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mathew16-17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon
Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father
who is in heaven.
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my
church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give
to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon
earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on
earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples,
that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
Thats the base scripture for the institution of a church.... there are many
more all of which support the ordinations, laying of hands, making bishops ,
setting up rules and regulations, dogmas, many of which are just as quickly
discredited by conflicting scriptures which any Catholic church hating student
may chose by his own interpretation to use.. which only goes to prove their
undoing. The Bible cannot stand alone as a way to truth//// It helps, but it
cannot stand alone... not if it needs Greek scholars, to study non existent
original papyrus. Only an Apostle....
Acts 8-29 And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join thyself to this
chariot. 30 And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias.
And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip
that he would come up and sit with him.
34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the
prophet speak this? Of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip, opening his mouth and beginning at this scripture, preached
unto him Jesus.
snip.... finis..
On another thread, has there been much reported in Australia on the detention
of Fredrick Toben in London?
Neville
www.realityreviewed.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:51:20 +1000
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite
Neville yours gives a technical/moral problem to consider.... A Lie is a
lie, meaning an untruth.. But this does not mean the person telling the story
is a liar.. the similar problem or error is when people make a judgement of
other people in calling them sinners. A person committing a declared sin, is
not necessarily a sinner.. Only God can make that call.
As a Catholic of course I can qualify that thus, "Only God, or His
appointed servant to whom He has delegated that power. " Many people assume
that authority to themselves.. without good reason.
Therefore in the realm of science, I would consider a Highly qualified
scientist such as yourself , as being in equal position to declare another
scientist, or even the consensus of many of them , as purveyors of lies, and
even being liars, given sufficient evidence and proof. People such as myself
and Paul are not so qualified, merely having to decide on where truth lies
according to whether we put all our faith in the consensus of the many , which
Paul does, or in our faith in those who buck the consensus with an alternative
view, which I do as regards geocentrism.
I do not doubt that NASA being a political/military entity does, and may
even must, put out propaganda that is not true. They LIE . That they can hit
the moon or Mars, I do not doubt at all, but The appollo program .... Now that
is not so cut and dried... Somebody is lying about the radiation belt, to such
an extent that records have been expunged from the history. I can only ask why?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:59 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite
Paul,
It is technically only a lie if one pronounces it to be fact whilst
knowing it to be untruthful.
No one here is saying that those scientists, engineers and technicians
that designed and built various parts of the mission payload knew that this
whole thing is a lie, anymore than those blokes staring at monitors in the NASA
control room on 20th July 1969 knew that the whole business was a fraud. Only
those at the top know the full picture.
Neville
www.realityreviewed.com
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