Don't worry John, I worry me too. This is scriptually only sposed to get pandemic near and at the end of the world.. I aint finished having fun yet. And seeing all the young children , its sad.. But better I spose than leaving them with their rotten parents, rotten churches and rotten society.. But as I said elsewhere, Its not the end yet.. A chastisement that cleanses , a rapid acceptance of the Gospel world wide, (a necessity before the end) with the remnant, and then the rise of AC, and the consumation... If we survive the holocaust,of 33% culling, having fun will be the last thing on my mind.. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roodt To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: A First-hand Report from Massachusetts: Actually, you did give an answer already...essentially, Satan only corrupts those who are NOT his? Ouch....you ARE starting to worry me. John On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM, John Roodt <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: "... the depths of degradation to which clerics and the hierarchy of the Catholic church have sunk, is an ABSOLUTE PROOF to any believer in Christ, and His Word, of unbiased discerning mind, that the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ" Wow!!! That is bizarre logic, Phil! I am willing to hear your explanation as to why that makes sense. Am I correct in inferring that: "if a Church does NOT have clerics and the hierarchy that sink to these depths of degradation, it is ABSOLUTE PROOF to any believer in Christ, and His Word, of unbiased discerning mind, that that Church is NOT the one true Church of Jesus Christ"? Come on, Phil.... John On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: To my Protestant friends, whilst you will not understand why, nor would you understand any explanation because of entrenched hostility, indeed a stumbling block, but all of these dire announcements (see below) concerning the depths of degradation to which clerics and the hierarchy of the Catholic church have sunk, is an ABSOLUTE PROOF to any believer in Christ, and His Word, of unbiased discerning mind, that the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ. The Devil does not waste his time on those of us who have separaterd ourselves from the Church by denying it, (Sede vacantist catholics take note), or by sin; who are already destined for Hell. Its the heart he has to go for. getting almost the whole animal in the process. Scriptually that had to happen, and it did not happen in the time of Luther..of the so called protestant reformation.. else we would not all be here today. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Cox To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: A First-hand Report from Massachusetts: October 31 - Vigil of All Saints Fast & Complete Abstinence A First-hand Report from Massachusetts: "Gay" Marriage Is Far Worse than You Thought From: Brian Scenes like This May be Coming to Novus Ordo Churches Benedict-Ratzinger Has Failed to Take Any Significant Action To Purge Perversion from His Novus Ordo Seminaries The Newchurch Archbishop of Boston Has Told His Diocese Not to Oppose "Gay" Marriage Because "We Don't Want to Offend Our 'Gay' Catholics" Dear Fathers: With the issue of "gay" marriage appearing on November 4, 2008, Election Day ballots around the United States, I thought that TRADITIO Commentary readers would be interested in knowing what the "right" to "gay" marriage has done to us here in Massachusetts since liberalist judicial activists on our state supreme court contradicted our state constitution and established a "right" to "gay" marriage on November 18, 2003. Anyone who thinks that "gay" marriage is a benign eccentricity that will not affect the average person should consider what it has done here. It has become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning. It is far worse than people realize. Newchurch bishops and presbyters, for the most part, will mouth opposition to abortion, but will hardly utter a peep against "gay" marriage. Sean O'Malley, the corrupt archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts, who replaced his equally-corrupt predecessor, Bernard Law, has told his diocese to keep quiet on "gay" marriage because "we don't want to offend our 'gay' Catholics." Benedict-Ratzinger has done essentially nothing to remove the perversion from his Newchurch seminaries in the United States and elsewhere. The Impact upon Public Schools a.. In high schools there are school-wide assemblies to celebrate "gay" marriage, featuring speakers, including principals teachers at the schools themselves, who have "married" their "gay" partners and are starting families either through adoption, in the case of males, or artificial insemination, in the case of lesbians. b.. In middle schools, teachers discuss gay sex with their students as explicitly as they desire. c.. In elementary schools, kindergartners are given picture-books telling them that "gay spouses" are just another kind of family, like their own parents. When a parent of a kindergartner strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight. d.. Federal judges have ruled that because "gay" marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the schools actually have a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or to let them opt out their children. e.. Literature in favor of "gay" marriage, how it is now a normal part of society, is routinely handed out to students. School libraries across the state, from elementary school through high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and its lifestyle in the minds of children, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents' complaints are ignored or met with hostility. f.. It has become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for principals and teachers to display prominently photographs of their "gay spouses" and bring those "spouses" to school functions. g.. Gay Days are considered necessary in schools to fight "intolerance" and "homophobia." High schools and even middle schools across the state now hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender) Appreciation Days. They celebrate homosexual "marriage" and move forward to other behaviors such transvestism and transsexuality. h.. The Massachusetts legislature now gives tax monies to homosexual activist groups. In particular, the Massachusetts Commission on Gay Lesbian Bisexual, and Transgender Youth, made up of the most radical and militant homosexual groups, in 2008 received close to a million dollars to target children in the public schools. The Impact upon Public Health a.. Since homosexual "marriage" became legal, the rates of HIV and AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by half a million dollars. b.. The Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book: Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography. It gives tips on the most perverted and dangerous of sexual practices and includes a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex. c.. In 2008 the Massachusetts legislature more than tripled the funding for dealing with skyrocketing homosexual "domestic violence." The Impact upon Business a.. All types of insurance in Massachusetts must now recognize "gay spouses" in their coverage. b.. Businesses must recognize "gay spouses" in all their benefits and activities, for both employees and customers. c.. The wedding industry is required serve the homosexual community if requested. Wedding photographers, halls, and caterers must service "gay" marriages or be arrested for illegal discrimination. d.. Businesses are often tested for "tolerance" by homosexual activists. Groups of homosexual activists often go into restaurants and publicly kiss and grope each other to test whether the establishment illegally objects. In fact, more and more overt displays of homosexual sex are seen in public places across the state to reinforce "marriage equality." The Impact upon the Legal Profession and Government a.. The Massachusetts Bar Exam now tests lawyers on their knowledge of "gay" marriage issues. b.. Lawyers in Massachusetts practicing family law must now attend seminars on homosexual "marriage." c.. Homosexual "spouses" can now demand to be able to adopt children the same as normal couples. Homosexuals now appear to be put in line for adopting children ahead of heterosexual parents by state agencies in Massachusetts. Homosexual "marriage" now hangs over our state like a hammer with the force of law. And it has only just begun. It is pretty clear that the homosexual movement's obsession with marriage is not because large numbers of "gays" actually want to marry each other. Rather, this is about putting the legal stamp of approval on homosexuality and imposing it with force throughout the various social and political institutions of a society that would never accept it otherwise. Your readers have been forewarned from our Massachusetts experience.