[geocentrism] Re: Evening and morning were the first day?
- From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:28:35 -0500
Allen,
Did you have a good vacation?
Are you thinking that I am saying that the text should say "and there was
morning and there was evening"?
I am not! I am saying that work was accomplished in the daylight portion of
the day, followed by evening (the period of transition from light to dark) and
then morning (the period of transition from dark to light). Then began the
next day.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evening and morning were the first day?
Carl,
The KJV as well as the NIV and ASV are all mesoretic text based.... you find
this same order Evening and morning in the Sepuagint text as well, which can be
shown strictly from the NT quotes from the OT that the Mesoretic text was not
used... in any case your argument is mute as this is the order found in both
Mesoretic, Samaritan Pentateuch and LXX Septuagint versions of the OT which are
the only three source text used in all of Chistodom. The Lxx septuagint can be
traced to the first century, the messoretic text only has traceable documents
to about 900 AD.. I am afraid you are listening to people that do not know
anything about Biblical text, and or using that to confuse and deceive you
about things that are identical in all three. Namely Evening and morning days.
Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Forms of the verb Hayah (Strongs 1961) are found 28 times in Genesis
chapter 1. Of these 21 are YHY (Kal fut. 3 pers. s. m., Davidson) with the
conjunction Waw (Vav). These are Genesis 1:3 "and there was1961 light",
Genesis 1:6 "and let it1961," and Genesis 1:7, 9, 11, 15, 24, 27 and 30 "and it
was1961 so."
The phrase "and the evening and the morning were" in the King James Version
(KJV) shows only one verb, while the Hebrew has this verb twice (12
occurrences). This is one instance of the KJV translators subtracting from the
Scriptures. Based on the first reference,
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was1961 light,
the simplist consistent translation would have been "and there was evening
and there was morning." This is exactly what was used in the American Standard
Version and the Literal Version of the Holy Scriptures for Genesis 1:5, etc.
(ASV, 1901 American Standard Version) And God called the light Day, and the
darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
(LITV, Literal Version of the Holy Bible) And God called the light, Day.
And He called the darkness, Night. And there was evening, and there was morning
the first day.
The other non KJV translations used in e-sword carry a similar thought in
Genesis 1:5, while most (CEV, GNB, and GW)emphasize the progressive timing of
these two events.
(CEV, Contemporary English Version) and named the light "Day" and the
darkness "Night." Evening came and then morning--that was the first day.
(GNB, Good News Bible) and he named the light "Day" and the darkness
"Night." Evening passed and morning came---that was the first day.
(GW, God's Word) God named the light day, and the darkness he named night.
There was evening, then morning-the first day.
(MSG, The Message) God named the light Day, he named the dark Night. It was
evening, it was morning-- Day One.
Please notice in Genesis 1:5 the correct order of the day and night periods
in a 24 hour day!
I would also argue that the KJV adds to the Scriptures using "the" with
evening and with morning.
Now I would guess that the KJV translators would have some justification
for what they did. I surely do not see it! When this blatantly false
translation is used as the basis to "understand" the rest of Scripture, one is
in danger of building on the sand.
Carl
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