[geocentrism] Re: Dynamical Equivalence
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:53:40 +1000
Steven said, after rightly showing the true geocentric position, (providing his
equivalent figutes have been transposed correctly)
"We can conclude that this is not dynamical equivalence. If then a geostatic
and geocentric model is physically different from a heliocentric or geocentric
model where the world does rotate, we should be able to predict discrepancies
or differences between the two to prove once and for all which model is true."
If I deduce that by dynamic equivalence you mean all the relative observations
are the same under both systems, then I cannot see why you can make your first
conclusion, that it is not dynamic equivalence..
But if you mean the dynamics of both systems are different, (ie the moon is
moving in the opposite direction) , and therefore they are not equivalent, I
concede your first conclusion..
However I find it difficult to accept your assertion, "we should be able to
predict discrepancies or differences between the two to prove once and for all
which model is true."
The prediction is indeed truely possible, but proving them by any observable
means known to science at the moment I sincerely doubt. That is if we
discount the evidence raised by the accentrists using Newtonian physics, to
prove the earths rotation, namely the coriolis effects on the atmosphere, and
the Geostatic satellite, the existence of which of which are undeniable
realities.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Dynamical Equivalence
Dear All,
The rotating world is essential for worldly acentric cosmology, the
blasphemous belief where the centre of the universe is nowhere and the
circumference of which is everywhere. Such a confused understanding is not in
harmony with the bible and therefore should be firmly rejected.
Provided the Earth rotates, then even if the cosmos is geocentric the
geocentric model merely becomes a special instance of the heliocentric one,
where one has simply just pushed the sun of centre.
A very good example of this can be found at this web site:
http://jove.geol.niu.edu/faculty/stoddard/JAVA/ptolemy.html
Three models are presented clearly in the java animation:
Extremely unusual Ptolemiac model where the world revolves.
Heliocentric model
Modified Tychonic model
What is not immediately obvious is that all three of the models assume a
rotating world, therefore all three models are dynamically equivalent.
Key features in the geocentric models are:
The World completes one revolution on its axis once every 23 hours 56
minutes, rotating west to east, which is why the stars are seen to rise in the
east and set in the west in the same time.
The sun orbits the Earth once every 365.25 days which explains the transit
of the sun through the ecliptic (the background of stars).
The moon takes about 28 days to orbit the Earth travelling west to east,
which is about 50.5 minutes slower than the world rotates in the same direction
and therefore explains why the moon can be seen to rise in the east and set in
the west.
The stars do not move.
No comparison of the heliocentric model to the geocentric ones is necessary
because only one thing has changed between them. Instead of the sun orbiting
the Earth once a year the Earth orbits the sun once a year. This is dynamical
equivalence, but it is not biblical for the Bible stresses that the Earth
cannot be moved, and therefore does not rotate.
We then derive the conclusion that the universe is both geocentric and
geostatic, a comparison is now necessary between the aforementioned models and
the new geostatic and geocentric model.
The World completes one revolution on its axis once every 23 hours 56
minutes, rotating west to east, which is why the stars are seen to rise in the
east and set in the west in the same time.
WRONG
The World stands stationary at the centre of the universe, no motion is
attributed to the world.
The sun orbits the Earth once every 365.25 days which explains the transit
of the sun through the ecliptic (the background of stars).
WRONG
The sun orbits the Earth once every twenty four hours, which explains the
days.
The moon takes about 28 days to orbit the Earth travelling west to east,
which is about 50.5 minutes slower than the world rotates in the same direction
and therefore explains why the moon can be seen to rise in the east and set in
the west.
WRONG
The moon takes about 24 hours 50.5 minutes to orbit the Earth travelling east
to west which is the opposite direction.
The stars do not move.
WRONG
The stars orbit the World once every 23 hours 56 minutes east to west.
We can conclude that this is not dynamical equivalence. If then a geostatic
and geocentric model is physically different from a heliocentric or geocentric
model where the world does rotate, we should be able to predict discrepancies
or differences between the two to prove once and for all which model is true.
This has been done and one such example is at:
www.midclyth.supanet.com/page32.htm
I urge you all to study the celestial poles argument and tell me what you
think.
Yours in Christ,
Steven Jones.
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