[geocentrism] Re: Jones, Bob, Cheryl's postings groaning heaving etcetera
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:53:27 -0800 (PST)
Bob,
You are right that sounds bizarre, but I think that is because we are
accustomed to & have been indoctrinated with a universe that is described in
a-centric terms. But the Dodwell curve of ecliptic demonstrates that it is the
Universe tied to the earth and not the other way around. It is difficult to say
what the exact nature of that relationship is as that would probably
necessitate a very thorough knowledge of the earth?s interior & universe
itself. It is interesting to note that although there are many text books/ and
papers written and theories as to the nature of the center of the earth's core
no radar or other device has ever penetrated the core of the earth we don't
know what is there or not there. All information, theories about the make up of
the earth?s interior are just theories, unproven & almost exclusively based on
a-centric non-uniqueness of the earth/ universe philosophy.
There are other considerations as well, such as the nature & mass equivalent if
any, of the firmament that the stars & other heavenly bodies are placed in.
NOTE: Gen 1: 7. And God made the firmament? 8. And God called the firmament
Heaven? 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament ?.. 15. And let
them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the
earth?..: he made the stars also. 17. And God set them in the firmament of the
heaven to give light upon the earth,?We tend to think of "space" as empty
nothingness but God states that he made it, called it heaven and set the stars
and other bodies in it. It has also been shown to have measurable properties
and structure, exactly 376 ohms of resistance. It is not "nothing" or "Empty
space" it is something, but what is it? It?s mass? It?s nature? It has been and
is continually given hypothetical descriptions & names such as "Aether" or
"Foamy space" "Ghost Condensate" or "Superstrings". Nevertheless,
a
complete understanding of the center of mass/mechanics of the earth/universe
relationship external of at lest a basic consideration of the nature/mass/
force/ properties of the firmament would be, at lest I think, incomplete if
possible at all.
Allen
Bob Davidson <Jesus4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:OK, I get the point(s). Still, I was
trying to reconcile with Newton's Law
of Motion regarding action and reaction. It had occurred to me as I was
writing my comments on earth movement, and as I think Allen is pointing out,
that even if the earth were to budge even the slightest bit - say from a
REALLY big meteor impact - that movement would have no meaning inside the
Universe if the Universe moved right along with the earth (a correct
synopsis of your statement, Allen?). This does seem a bit bizarre, though,
and begs the question of where is the controlling mass/force: is the earth
at the center of mass because of the arrangement of mass in the Universe, or
is the earth at the center of mass because of the way it affects the rest of
the mass in the Universe?
Bob
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Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Jones, Bob, Cheryl's postings groaning heaving
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Food for thought
JOB 26: 7. He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing."
The earth is hung on nothing and the heavenly bodies are placed in the
firmament and the bodies with the firmament (UNIVERSE) are moving around the
earth. It seems then that the universe is hung or pivoting on the earth or
the same location as the earth, as it is going around the earth and not the
other way around. Then any shaking and moaning of the earth has no spatial
significance, as spatial displacement only has relevance inside the
universe, external of earth, because the universe would be a subordinate
function for the earth much as a mogul is in a baby crib. (Contrast this
with the earth just another bit of rock in the universe) And if the Universe
is hung to the earth then the earth's location could only be displace in
terms of the footstool of the creator, GOD, to the right, to the left and
below ect... just as you might move your foot stool around when you are
watching the TV or reading a book. ( Jesus is at the right hand of the
Father) However, not any spatial posi
tion
within the universe because the universe is a peripheral of the earth not
the other way around.
I think this is exactly what is proven with Dryson's /Dodwell's corrected
ecliptic curve. I also think that if the correction for the observed change
in the ecliptic (due to the movement of the Universe not the earth ) of the
Ecliptic were taken into consideration most of the difficulties with
astronomical calculations ie.. when a eclipse occurred in the past, Calendar
years for past events ect.. would be reconciled to scriptural chronology. I
say this being confident, as those observations demonstrate a logarithmic
sin curve of a Tabletop Gyroscope not a Free Floating Gyroscope. If the
earth were just another rock in the universe the movement would be
attributed to the earth and would have to be demonstrated by a Free Floating
Gyroscopic curve. The Fact that is shows a Tabletop Gyroscopic movement
proves that it is the universe that is afixed and is moving around the earth
because a Table Top Curve can only be understood in the context of a
GEOCENTRIC GEOSTATIC universe fixe
d to the
earth with the universe spinning and trying to recover after a disturbance.
Allen
"Dr. Neville Jones" wrote:Bob,
Following on from Cheryl's posting, I agree with her that your contention is
incorrect.
Earthquakes, no matter how massive, are local. In my house, I felt no
evidence whatsoever of the Indian Ocean earthquake, even though that quake
was 8.9 on the Richter scale. Since I did not feel such a quake, then the
World, as an entity, did not move. And, if it did not move for an 8.9
earthquake, then it is not moving for leaves falling, solar wind, our
footsteps, etc., etc.
The World is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Ps. 93:1, 96:10, 1
Chr. 16:30)
Regards,
Neville.
"Cheryl B." wrote:
Bob -- Scripture talks about the groaning of the earth due to the curse, and
there are earthquakes, all that. If the earth itself is bombarded,
groaning, heaving, etcetera -- but it stays in its place (as Scripture says
God hung the earth in space, sits on the circle of the earth and uses the
earth for his footstool) -- doesn't turn, doesn't revolve at all, then that
means, I would think, that the earth shall not be moved. Cheryl
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