[GeoStL] Re: New record 2,000 finds 0 hides

  • From: JOHN C CARAKER <rufusrex2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:13:58 -0700 (PDT)

And I felt guilty with 157 finds and no hides.  I have 3 in mind, just haven't 
had time to hide them.

Mike Griffin <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:-
I would think that everyone would WANT to contribute. However, those that 
do, are rewarded by the logs they receive. I guess I feel that until you 
loose a cache, full of goodies and a great logbook, you really have not 
experienced the GAME... In every game their are pieces you play with. 
Loosing those pieces, such as a few cards out of a deck, really makes the 
game hard to play. Having never had the pieces to begin with, one cannot 
really experience what it is like. Same as loosing a cache... You feel 
frustrated but, there is always the satisfaction that someone played the 
game because of what you contributed. Having never contributed, you can't 
expeience the fullness of the game.

It's late and I need sleep...

Mike

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Bensman" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: New record 2,000 finds 0 hides


> -
> What would Jesus do?
> Tim
>
> My guess would be turn their Garmin into a Magellen
>
> Glenn wrote, "worthless character bashing" and "character smearing." I
> guess the full moon explains comments like that. (I'd suggest a walk
> tonight as it is really neat out tonight with the mist and full moon.)
> While many of the comments made when a cacher removed some rule breaking
> buried caches would fit those descriptions (and our sheriff did not object
> to those), all the comments made today were certainly critical, but no 
> where
> near the level of the comments made about the cache removal. There has
> always been discussion on what a particular cacher has done. This
> particular cacher's failure to ever hide a cache has been brought up on 
> this
> list many times before without any objection from the sheriff. In 
> addition,
> remember the recent discussion about the one cache with the neighbor
> problem. Some were critical of that particular cacher.
>
> Back when caching was getting started and there were hardly any caches, I
> spent hundreds of hours setting up high quality caches in many places with
> no caches. I always tried to get several in an area to give people
> motivation to travel. I've provided others almost 4,000 finds. So when I
> see someone with 2,000 finds and never hid a cache, I do not think they 
> are
> doing their fair share. Like I said, I think there should be some kind of
> etiquette on what is a reasonable amount of giving for all the taking you
> do. Some agree and some feel there is nothing wrong with that. That's
> fine. That is the discussion I was hoping for. I certainly did not 
> intend
> any character bashing.
>
> Mike wrote,
>
> "I have no problem with pointing these things out to others privately as 
> you
> say you have already done. It is just when it comes to naming names and
> pointing fingers in public that I think it crosses the line."
>
> I note no one (including you) contacted me off list-all the finger 
> pointing
> was done on list.
>
> What do you suggest doing when you (and others) point something out to
> someone privately, offer to help them and they still continue to do it? I
> can understand your point if it had not been first addressed multiple 
> times
> privately and offered to help or if there were comments like were made 
> about
> the cacher who removed the buried caches. IMHO, sometimes things need to 
> be
> talked about publicly to get change. That is how change begins. If one
> does not give an example of what the problem the proposed solution is 
> trying
> to address, it does not give any reason to make a change.
>
> I think there should be peer pressure to do a reasonable amount of giving
> when you have taken so much. That was my point and PA was the best 
> example
> of the problem.
>
> Jim Bensman
> "Nature Bats Last"
>
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