- Thanks Mike, Keith and Jim for starting and joining in this discussion. I actually do agree that we don't know what is causing global warming. But it is real. From everything I read, and I do read a lot about this, the data supports the statement that the earth is getting warmer. I'm not sure that it's even important right now to know the cause. What is very important is that we start thinking about how we are going to deal with the EFFECTS. Is every hurricane season for the next 30 years (the common length of an active tropical period) going to be like 2005? Then we better start figuring out how we are going to deal with 3 to 5 major hurricanes making landfall every year in the US. Will the breadbasket turn into the dust bowl? Where will we grow crops? Will Europe lose the moderating effect of warmer oceans off its shores? What if the sea level rises 10 feet over the next 50 years? No region on earth is immune to the now unpredictable shifts in weather patterns that may occur. The more time people spend arguing about the causes, the less time we have to figure out how to survive the EFFECTS. I was a little encouraged (and yet scared) to read an article that said that the Pentagon now considers global warming at the top of problems facing the US and apparently has assigned a special task force to study it and make plans. Thanks for reading my humble 2 cents, Susan A frivolous PS: Does anyone else feel old when you remember that typewriters used to have a key for the "cents" symbol? Have I mentioned that before? Maybe I AM old. -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of know_future@xxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:56 AM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Is it really getting warmer? - Morning all, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that we are witnessing a global warming trend. The big question in my mind is whether we can, or should, try to make an effort to reverse it. Geologic evidence indicates that on several occasions in the distant past St. Louis was covered by oceans and had a tropical climate. We also find skeletons of mastadons and other ice age plants and animals. This happened when the oceans receded (the water being stored in massive continental ice sheets) and earth entered one of many global ice ages. Indeed there have been numerous global warming and cooling cycles during earth's history. Each cycle lasts for tens of thousands of years, so we have not yet witnessed a complete cycle. The thing to keep in mind is that our climate is cyclical, therefore it is always changing, never static. The earth's climate has been quite cool, by geologic standards, since the beginning of recorded history. That it's becoming warmer should not be surprising. Can we do anything about it? I think the answer is: we don't know. To blame ourselves for global warming may be an overreaction. We didn't cause any of the previous warming cycles - they all happened before humans arrived on the scene. Yet something caused them. Geologic history suggests that the earth is inevitably going to enter a global warming cycle. We don't know when or why and most likely, if it is happening now, it's not because of anything we are doing. Should we try to do anything about it? In my opinion, no. Why? We don't understand the mechanics of the global climate cycles. Since we don't understand the problem, how can we hope to solve it? When I was in college in the 70s, some scientists believed that we were entering a new ice age. There were proposals to pump massive quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere in an attempt to retain warmth in the atmosphere. How things have changed in just 30 years! Personally I think that our ability to alter a global phenomenon that has been occurring for billions of years is about nil. On the other hand, saving fossils fuels, reducing emissions of poisonous chemicals, gases, etc. is a worthwhile effort for many obvious health reasons. To say that this will also have an effect on global climate trends just doesn't jive with the historical record, in my mind. Thanks for considering my opinion (if you did, that is ). Know Future (BS Geology, 1976) -- "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: - http://www.junkscience.com/ Mike Tired of Spam?? Here's your solution.. See: http://www.spamarrest.com/affl?4001050 **************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html **************************************** To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field **************************************** Our WebPage! 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