Joe, When we bought Doodlesa backpack for boy scouts we got it at Sports Authority. It has the alluminum tubes for a frame and a nice spruce green heavy duty material for packing. If memory serves me right wegave less than $100 for it at the time. This was nearly 4 years ago though. -Digger Odell -Edwin on the web at: www.edwinglenn.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com