I wish I was going with ya.. We will have to plan a SLAGA BP Trip this Winter.. Bridget wanted me to mention that REI also has lifetime guarantee on all their products.. Her email to me since she cannot post on the newsgroup from work... You forgot to mention that at REI it has a LIFETIME guarantee. Instead of paying $100 every 2-3 years, spend the money just once and have a nice backpack forever. You should post it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Taylor To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Another NGR Question... This labor day weekend is going to be a trial run for me. I want to hike from Johnson Shut-ins, to a spot out of the restricted area, pitch camp there, go get Proffit mountain Cache, return, back, or laze around. The Next day hike to the shut ins, and spend there all day, go back to camp, and stay one more night, then head back out. I have already studied the topo map with the OT on it so have a general idea of what to expect, but will get more detail when I get there. Looking at the Topo Map, I may plan on a spot around N37* 33.600 W090* 48.600. It is just under 2 'as the crow flies' miles, and if they come up to me and ask.... Hide myGPS and say Well it felt like 2 miles. So I will not be carrying the gear too far. Then when I upgrade to a bigger pack, where I can carry the tent, and another person goes it will be lighter on them since it is a less comfortable pack. Again this will be a trial run..... I was hoping tomake this Cache find 100, but with me working so much, it will fall short of that. I have hiked from Taum Sauk to the Devils Tollgate, as well as hiked out to WIldcat mounatain,. So I am a a little familliar with the area. Mike Griffin <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Depending on how serious you are when it comes to a backpack will determine how much you spend. If you get a cheap backpack, you will not be happy because it is not designed to fit your body and makes it difficult to wear for any length of time. You can find Camp Trails brand at Uncle Sams and Dunns. This is a good low end pack. If you are just looking for a day pack, then Walmart is your place. I would suggest going to REI and getting measured for a pack. This will determine your size and what features you might be looking for. I bought a Shasta (made by Gregory) on e-Bay and paid around 200.00 for it. It is a nice large pack, fits me and is very confortable. I would also suggest going to http://www.gearfinder.com/ss.asp?FAM=Packs to help you decide what you need in a pack and what the best pack is for the $$$ you are going to spend. As far as the earlier questions. Camping on the trail is just a primative camp along the way. I never have fires on the trail. I use a backpacker stove (Whisperlite International) for all my cooking needs. I always follow LNT principles (Leave No Trace). I don't pitch a tent unless the weather is going to get bad. Then, you don't want to be on the trail. You can find more on planning and packing helpful hints at www.backpacker.com. This site is a wealth of information to the beginner as well as the professional. I plan on doing a few trips this fall and winter. I am thinking about the Ozark Highlands Trail for a December trip. Let me know when you are planning on doing the Taum Sauk portion of OT. I might be able to join you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Taylor To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [GeoStL] Another NGR Question... OK I am a Cheep-O, and do most of my buying at wal-mart. I am having probelms looking for a Camping Backpack. I seen it on Wal-mart.com, and looked and looked around. Cant find it. Yeah I know... I know.. Go to REI.... The idea is to save money. My question is.... What is the Largest Wal-Mart in the St Louis Area? Or is there another spot I can get a camping backpack for under $100? Joe Taylor IS IT FRIDAY YET? Check out my NEW Web Page Favorite GC - Stories and Adventures UPDATED - JUNE 9,2005 Rockey the Flying Squirrell What is Geocaching (In case you are not in the Geocaching Mailing Groups) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Joe Taylor IS IT FRIDAY YET? Check out my NEW Web Page Favorite GC - Stories and Adventures UPDATED - JUNE 9,2005 Rockey the Flying Squirrell What is Geocaching (In case you are not in the Geocaching Mailing Groups) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com