Hi List, As my posting didn't appear on the Etni digest in which Orly's comment appeared, I am sending it again: I am also a teacher in this programme and firmly believe that we as teachers are providing a necessary service to those whose natural abilities entitle them to learn English as a first and not as a second language. I quite agree with Orly's point. However, I used the term "natural abilities" as a blanket term for those who are both native and non-native speakers, not to exclude those who have not choice but to fit into that category! Obviously those who were "born" speaking English are not necessarily "cleverer" than those who were not - but it is still a "natural ability" because they do not have to learn to speak or understand the language in the same way as a non-native speaker does! Having said that, my understanding that it referred to both groups of students was certainly not based on a misconception - my own children were enrolled in the programme by virtue of English being their mother tongue and for no other reason. However, it is the reality "on the ground" that children from non-native backgrounds, or whose families have returned from schlichut but do not speak English in the home, also qualify for these classes; in fact in many areas, there would be no classes without them because the numbers are just not high enough. Both groups meet the criteria of the Native Speaker class, with certain areas having a majority of students for whom English is not their mother tongue. Possibly the term itself was too vague - you may rephrase it as you see fit, or simply add the words "or who speak English in the home or who have been educated in an English-speaking school overseas". At the end of the day it is important to keep the classes open for ALL those who qualify - regardless of the semantics! Alexa Raine