Forget it John, your beating a dead horse. I think I've tried just about every approach to get Mary to send a photo. I've come to grips with the reality that, as caring, as loving, as thoughtful Mary is, I will go to my grave never knowing what she looks like. Mary please tell me your not some old guy named bubba? -Staten Island Frank- In a message dated 9/2/2009 7:39:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johncgg@xxxxxxxxx writes: Nice pictures Mary. Still didn't get time to get my 2 events on the web site :-{ I suggest a silver or stainless car, standing directly in front of a very large flat door, holding the camera off to the side so we can see your face in the reflection. Or just get someone to take your picture. <G> We would love it. JC