[duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:14:03 -0500

Joanie,

Additionally, there are times when we simply must change the format settings
if you're going to send a document to a different embosser.  But DBT 10.5
covered this case pretty well, I think.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:05 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

I agree with Tesfaye.  To me, things like the number of lines per page and
characters per line are properties of the document and NOT the embosser.  If
someone gives me a "ready to emboss" document, no formatting changes should
occur simply because I have a different embosser.

Of course, there are occasions when you will want to override the properties
of the document.  If so, manually change the values in Document Embosser
Setup.

Take care.
Joanie

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:10 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

Yes, it would be simple for me to do this.

I don't think I heard from you before specifically about this issue, so I
don't think it's a matter of communicating badly.

If I heard anybody wrong about the question, it would be somebody else.  So
I'm just sitting tight to see if anybody else wants to chime in with
feedback about this.

Your requirement is what I had in mind when designing DBT 10.5.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:58 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hello Peter, I may have communicated wrong.  Can we stay with "sticky
settings" of a document?  Most files I embossed are coming from transcribers
pre-set.  I am not suppose to change settings while I embosse.  I just want
make sure they stay the same when I am changing printers (embossers)

Regards,
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:39 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

I thought about doing just as you request.  And, if we go that route, it
won't be hard.  I think I'd just have to add back one or two lines of code
that were clipped out between beta 2 and beta 3.

But if I do that, then we limit the purpose of having document format
settings "stick" to embossers when you set them in Global, Embosser Setup.
Now the "embosser sticky" settings will be applied only to new (new blank or
newly imported) documents.  The "embosser sticky" settings won't be used
when you change embossers.

It seems to me that having the "embosser sticky" settings applied to a
document when you switch embossers is what users were clamoring for.

Or am I wrong?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:31 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hi Peter, personally I liked the way it was set in beta 2.  I am hoping the
document retains its setup.  That was the whole purpose.

Regards,
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:21 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye (and all),

A second moment's reflection leads me to believe that the most direct fix to
the "vanishing sticky document settings" problem will have these
effects:

1. When you first open a document, it will be formatted as it was when
saved, and targeted to the embosser to which it was targeted when saved (as
things are now).

2. When you visit Document, Embosser Setup, the settings in the dialog will
initially mirror those as the document was last saved (the crux of the
proposed fix).

3. If, while in Document, Embosser Setup, you select a different embosser,
the format settings will be set to those last "stuck" to the embosser
through Global, Embosser Setup.

4. If you then re-select the original embosser, the format settings will be
set back to those saved in the document (or last modified in the dialog
while this embosser was selected).  They will *not* be set to the "sticky"
settings for the embosser, but instead to the "sticky" settings for the
document.

5. Format settings modified in Document, Embosser Setup will never "stick"
to any embosser, but only to the document.  (This is as things now
work.)

My hope is that, while nobody will necessarily be able to list these
behaviors if quizzed, in actual use they won't be puzzling or annoying to
people, but will seem reasonably natural.

If I don't hear wailing and gnashing of teeth back from you all on the list,
I'll go ahead and "make it so".

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:04 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

Thanks for following up.

Just a moment of reflection on the way I revised the code prior to beta
3
tells me that yes, I'd expect it to work just as you've discovered.  But
obviously, it shouldn't work that way.

This should be very easy to fix.  Thanks for letting me know about it.

Best Regards,

Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:04 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hello all, yes it does not consume more than 20 cells by 19 lines.
However if you change embosser in Document, it will reformat it self 40
cells by 25 lines.  My set up in global embosser is Briallo 40 cells by
25 lines (interpoint)

Regards
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:56 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

It may be that the sticky settings for the referenced embosser are
overriding those for the document.  Would you please tell me what you see in
Global, Embosser Setup when you open that dialog and choose "Braillo"
from
the list of embossers?  Knowing this will presumably help my investigation.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:11 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hi all, I download beta 3 this morning and noticed sticky set up no longer
there.  I am attaching a file that supposes to have 20 cells by
19 lines set up in 10.5 DBT. When you open this 10.6 beta 3, you will notice
40 cells by 25 lines.
Can you check?

Regards,
Tesfaye from CNIB

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:47 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Beta 3 has been posted

Beta Testers,

DBT beta 3 has been posted to:

http://www.partners.duxburysystems.com/beta.asp?product=DBT.

Notes about the new beta are included on the page.  I won't replicate them
here, but will work instead to catch up with some recent (and some
not-so-recent) communications about the beta.

Thanks for all of your feedback so far.

Best Regards,

Peter


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