[duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

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  • Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:15:15 -0500

Hello all, I would prefer to leave "wide paper" embosser as default.
Even you emboss a narrow paper document, text would emboss only between
the setup parameters leaving the extra space on wider paper blank.  If
one chooses to emboss on a narrow paper, what is needed is to change the
paper it self from wide to small so that "sticky document" embosses
accordingly.  When I want emboss a document on 11 by 8.5 size paper, I
just physically change the paper by leaving "wide paper" embosser as a
default.  That has been the case with 10.5 and it works just fine.  I
hope that helps.

Regards,
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:34 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hello Tesfaye,

Thanks for the kind words.  Encouragement is helpful.

Over breakfast, I had some second thoughts about just implementing what
you
suggest.  This would make it hard for a user who wants to create
documents
for both wide and narrow paper, for example.  It was for this need that
we
were working on "embosser sticky" settings in the first place.  Consider
how
this must be done now (and if we re-revise DBT 10.6).

Let's suppose that you have a "wide paper" embosser set as your default,
but
you want now to create a "narrow paper" document.  I had thought that
people
who had this need with some frequency would just create a template
targeting
the "narrow paper embosser" with appropriate settings.  This has proven
to
be a rather unpopular approach.  However, the only other approaches are
these:

1. Create the document.
2. Go to document, embosser setup and select the "narrow paper
embosser",
then (if necessary) choose the narrow paper size.  Also set document
settings as they should be.

Or:

1. Go to Global Embosser Setup, choose the "narrow paper embosser", and
(if
necesssary) the narrow paper size.  Set the document settings as they
should
be.
2. Create the document.
3. Return to Global Embosser Setup to restore global settings to what
they
were.

With DBT 10.6 working as we've most recently discussed, we'll have
streamlined steps 1 and 3 of the second process.  But either process
will
remain cumbersome enough to cause confusion and complaints.

So perhaps we should change two more things in DBT 10.6:

1. Stop recording embosser setup information in templates (or perhaps
make
this an option, set when the template is generated).
2. Add to the "New" and "Select Import Filter/Template" dialogs a
control to
choose the embosser target for the new document.  The default would be
as in
Global, Embosser setup, but the end user could choose a different
embosser.
The new document will be created with the "sticky settings" for the
selected
embosser.  Now, if a template does contain embosser format information
itself, we could make "(Embosser Settings from Template)" the default
choice.

I do hate to add UI during the beta.  But this would amount, I believe,
to
only three strings for the localizers.

The new UI wouldn't make it easier to switch target embossers and
settings
for an existing DBT document.  But it should make it much less common
that
anybody would want to do that.

What you do (and others who've been interested enough to read this far)
think?

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:32 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Thanks Peter.  I must say since 10.5 versions, so many things gotten so
much
easier.  I use to make so many trips to the embosser to make set up
changes
simply because the embossers use to control the system rather than the
other
way around.  You have done wonderfully to this far at least for me.

Regards,
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:07 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

It seems that most have been silent about your requested change; the one
or
two others from whom we've heard have been supportive.

So I'll make it work as I think you'd like, viz:

- Document setup will attempt to preserve document format preferences as
they were when the user entered the dialog, or as they were last
explicitly
modified by the user, even as the user changes embossers.  When format
preferences aren't compatible with a newly-selected embosser, the dialog
will change the format as little as possible.
- In other words, the only user-interface reference to an embosser's
"sticky
format settings" will be in Global, Embosser Setup.  Newly-created and
newly-imported documents will use these settings (when created from a
Duxbury-created template), but will do so without displaying any UI that
makes reference to them.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:04 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hello all, yes it does not consume more than 20 cells by 19 lines.
However if you change embosser in Document, it will reformat it self 40
cells by 25 lines.  My set up in global embosser is Briallo 40 cells by
25 lines (interpoint)

Regards
Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:56 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Tesfaye,

It may be that the sticky settings for the referenced embosser are
overriding those for the document.  Would you please tell me what you
see in
Global, Embosser Setup when you open that dialog and choose "Braillo"
from
the list of embossers?  Knowing this will presumably help my
investigation.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:11 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 3 has been posted

Hi all, I download beta 3 this morning and noticed sticky set up no
longer
there.  I am attaching a file that supposes to have 20 cells by
19 lines set up in 10.5 DBT. When you open this 10.6 beta 3, you will
notice
40 cells by 25 lines.
Can you check?

Regards,
Tesfaye from CNIB

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:47 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Beta 3 has been posted

Beta Testers,

DBT beta 3 has been posted to:

http://www.partners.duxburysystems.com/beta.asp?product=DBT.

Notes about the new beta are included on the page.  I won't replicate
them
here, but will work instead to catch up with some recent (and some
not-so-recent) communications about the beta.

Thanks for all of your feedback so far.

Best Regards,

Peter


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