Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to say that we should give him all of that. I was just throwing out ideas of things that I thought might fit and then we could limit it from there. If I were to limit it down myself for Shadow, I'd want to stick more with the "ninja" type of profile. Also, I don't mind Warf as a God of Despair, in fact it fits, but I just don't know about the slavery/imprisonment portfolio. Is there something else that would fit into the despair area that would work better for him? -----Original Message----- From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:15 PM To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: The Gods of Despair I was thinking of Shadow. I have an idea for him, but you gave him a heck of a portfolio! Let's spread that around a little, shall we? We also need a place for Talon, after all. I thought of Warf for a war deity, but I think we have all of that pretty well filled. At this time, I don't see anywhere else for him. And that sends us back to the drawing board for the Gods of Despair. <sigh> I really think they need something else; right now they just don't cut it for me. Damon Kline wrote: > That is an interesting idea, but I would see Warf as more of a war deity. > He is a cavalier after all, so he has a sense of honor, more suited to a > warrior. I don't see him slavery or imprisonment, because he would want to > kill his enemy, not enslave or imprison him. > > However, that did get me thinking about Shadow. What about Shadow, LE or NE > (I forget) God of Subterfuge, Assassinations, Poison, Hired Killers, Death > in the Night? Not outright despair like disasters or destruction, but a > more sinister fear like being afraid of the dark or shadowy places. Kind of > like the Boogie Man. :) > > But having said that, I would like to see Warf somewhere. Where else did > you think we needed someone to round it out? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:49 PM > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: The Gods of Despair > > I have an idea! I was looking for another god of despair, and I > noticed that the gods of hope are supposed to directly oppose them, and > that a strong sense of both CG and freedom runs through the gods of > hope. How about this for a new god of despair: Warf, LE God of Slavery > and Imprisonment? I see him as a god who believes that the strong > should be able to do whatever they wish with the weak, including using > them for their own purposes. What does everyone else think? > > Johnathan Detrick wrote: > > > Look for the blue! > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > * Nibrodius(Intermediate) - CN, Adversity, Disaster, Misfortune > > (As I said before, I would not have thought of Nibrodius this > > was. Kudos for Jim for making him more than a fire god. > > * Ariakas(Intermediate) - CE, Destruction, Monsters, Hate (Again, > > this is more than I thought for Ariakas. Nice work from Jim.) > > * Ok, I think that another god should go in this slot, but I can't > > think of who. > > > > I love what Jim has done with Nibrodius and Ariakus, but it seems > > like there should be more to despair than just these two. I was > > hoping to come up with someone that could be put into a portfolio that > > also embodies despair. Perhaps a god of loneliness, loss, > > hopelessness, or something like that. Actually, what I would love to > > do, is take one of the characters that you wouldn't normally associate > > with despair, and put them here. Someone that had some huge tragedy, > > and now they walk the surface of the world, spreading hopelessness > > themselves. Unfortunately, as I looked through the lists, I couldn't > > find anyone. Does anyone have a good idea for this? > >