Thanks Don, That was the drawing that I didn't want to use. It has a spider arrangement on top of the hips, not a backstrap to harness backpad and includes the trace carriers already mentioned. Trace carriers do look like an extra kicking strap. Good setup for Draft or farm horse work, not what I would want on Marathon. Also did not show how breeching anchored/attached at girth/martingale area. Our Yankee Breeching is just a single long piece of leather, with short straps on ends to buckle under girth. We didn't want a lot of pieces, rings, buckles flapping around horse barrel to snag on stuff. We are moving faster, needing a clean, tighter harness fit on CDE horses for hazard clearances, than slower moving, farming Drafts require. Also cheaper for harness maker to create breeching strap in pieces, uses up leftovers, short parts. Hi Candis, Could you post what you have? Does picture show the whole side of horse? With all the straps attached and in place? I would really like to look at it. Jonni wrote to me about her single horse breeching, said she used it on 2 different 4-wheel vehicles. The vehicles both had independent shafts and needed wrap-strap girths to hold shafts in place. Her modified Yankee Breeching was attached as a kicking strap would be, just above crupper buckles, running down to each side of the shafts. Pictures sent showed steel shafts with very low attachment to vehicle, bent and coming up to shaft loops. This also made breeching attachment points low and real forward. Gave a good angle to breeching pushing down on rump to let horse control vehicle push, with no chance of losing hind legs. Her explantions and pictures cleared up my confusion. CD-L search had not gotten all the details. Her vehicles also had brakes, big help to horses. NOT a setup for driving beginners. Her method is extremely innovative, you need plenty of experience with driving, harness systems, angles, different vehicles, to understand the reasons behind her method's reasons. Not for a cart or most carriages. Thanks Don and Candis, I appreciate the efforts! Kathy Robertson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````