Another factor may be maintenance. Unless the shackles are clean, the post may not seat properly in the hole. Like Mike said, be sure they are fully seated, and check for grit in the holes. FWIW Jay E Hubert Coffing Oaks Welsh Ponies Galt, CA Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. And I STILL drive too fast to worry about cholesterol! _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````