an old stirrup leather would do to go between the breaching and the breast collar (if you have a buckle on the breast collar). I used to put a piece of water pipe on the of the liverpool bit, to stop the shaft of the bit getting stuck or use a butterfly bit. _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````