[directmusic] Re: wav tracks, a pain... solutions?

From: "Scott Morgan" <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:06:28 -0600

Those bugs should be fixed in DX9.  I dont think I can talk about them too
much.

I only listed that because it was definitely a source of much blood and many
tears back when I was working on that project.  I lost many many hours/days
over them and finally gave up.

Reasons 1 and 2 are the real reasons I steer clear of wav tracks these days.

-Scott Morgan
http://Morganstudios.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Booth" <jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: [directmusic] Re: wav tracks, a pain... solutions?


>
> I second this motion - I'd like to know if going with DM is a dead end
> before I spend the time trying to get it all working. I will certainly
> kill the recomposition and DLS advantages for the sound of being able to
> play tracks in live.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Stroud [mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:46 AM
> To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [directmusic] wav tracks, a pain... solutions?
>
>
>
> Scott, I'd sure like to know what those bugs and their causes are
>
> I'm working on a wav based project at the minute, but the wavs are not
> long enough to cause any sync probs.  I may still put these in a DLS
> instrument though, if it means it will be less problematic.
>
> I have suffered the problems of wavs not playing and thought that I was
> just being dumb, even though, logically I could not explain the lack of
> sound.
>
> Paul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: directmusic-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > [mailto:directmusic-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott Morgan
> > Sent: 07 January 2003 17:59
> > To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> > neck..
> >
> >
> >
> > btw- I once tried to do a very wav track oriented project (beginning=20
> > of 2001).  I came to the conclusion that wave tracks are too buggy and
>
> > problematic to use in any way that makes the music dependant on the=20
> > wavs working.
> >
> > Here are some of the things that kill it for me:
> >
> > 1. The lack of an easy way to implement crossfading.
> > 2. The fact that if there is any tiny glitch, midi and wav get out of=20
> > sync until a new wave is triggered.  This can mean the music sounds=20
> > horrible for a long time.
> > 3. There were bugs in DX8 that made waves simply not play in certain
> > situations.  It wasn't until I started working at MS that I
> > finally figured
> > these bugs out...
> > 4. The wavs take up too much disk space.  I'm using ADPCM since
> > MP3 doesn't
> > have as much support in DX8.
> >
> > So in the game I am working on now, the only time I use a wav is for a
>
> > very rhythmically free flute melody that doesn't really need to be=20
> > there at all times.  If it gets out of sync I don't care because the=20
> > nature of the music
> > is more timbre based and works at any point you place it at.
> >
> > Ice_Planet (my first DMDemo) replaced the originl wave project I tried
>
> > to create.  IcePlanet has one wave track with a single guitar chord in
>
> > it.
> >
> > -Scott Morgan
> > http://Morganstudios.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Booth" <jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:40 PM
> > Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> > neck..
> >
> >
> > >
> > > You may be right, but I don't want to give up on DMP just yet. Most=20
> > > likely, if we roll our own solution, it will sit on top of Direct=20
> > > Music, with primary segments triggering our code. This is because I=20
> > > eventually want to explore using DLS2 instruments on top of my wav=20
> > > sections, by embeding the wav segments chord changes into the=20
> > > segment for reference. I also want to be able to use the player=20
> > > music concept we used in AC2, which is pretty fundimentally a DMP=20
> > > type of system. Anyway, I'm only going to bang my head against the=20
> > > wall so long before we start rolling our own. The difficulty, of=20
> > > course, will be convincing our management to spend the code time=20
> > > after we have our old music system (the one used for AC2) finished=20
> > > and (mostly) working correctly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Saul Bottcher [mailto:saul.bottcher@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:21 PM
> > > To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> > > neck..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jason,
> > >
> > >     From an outside perspective: you seem to be pretty frustrated=20
> > > early in the project, and have enumerated a long list of=20
> > > difficulties that don't seem surmountable (i.e. behaviours of DMP=20
> > > you have no way of changing).  Plus, DMusic doesn't seem to be=20
> > > saving you much work (since you'll need to re-implement groove=20
> > > levels in scripts), and saving work is what a good tool does for
> you.
> > >     If you are comfortable with the concept, it sounds like creating
>
> > > your own music system might be the way to go this time.
> > >     (Which is not to disparage DirectMusic at all - no single tool=20
> > > is the right solution for every job, even within its intended=20
> > > scope).
> > >
> > >     Saul.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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