[directmusic] Re: wav tracks, a pain... solutions?

  • From: "Jason Booth" <jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:26:05 -0500

I second this motion - I'd like to know if going with DM is a dead end
before I spend the time trying to get it all working. I will certainly
kill the recomposition and DLS advantages for the sound of being able to
play tracks in live.


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stroud [mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:46 AM
To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [directmusic] wav tracks, a pain... solutions?



Scott, I'd sure like to know what those bugs and their causes are

I'm working on a wav based project at the minute, but the wavs are not
long enough to cause any sync probs.  I may still put these in a DLS
instrument though, if it means it will be less problematic.

I have suffered the problems of wavs not playing and thought that I was
just being dumb, even though, logically I could not explain the lack of
sound.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: directmusic-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:directmusic-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott Morgan
> Sent: 07 January 2003 17:59
> To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> neck..
>
>
>
> btw- I once tried to do a very wav track oriented project (beginning=20
> of 2001).  I came to the conclusion that wave tracks are too buggy and

> problematic to use in any way that makes the music dependant on the=20
> wavs working.
>
> Here are some of the things that kill it for me:
>
> 1. The lack of an easy way to implement crossfading.
> 2. The fact that if there is any tiny glitch, midi and wav get out of=20
> sync until a new wave is triggered.  This can mean the music sounds=20
> horrible for a long time.
> 3. There were bugs in DX8 that made waves simply not play in certain
> situations.  It wasn't until I started working at MS that I
> finally figured
> these bugs out...
> 4. The wavs take up too much disk space.  I'm using ADPCM since
> MP3 doesn't
> have as much support in DX8.
>
> So in the game I am working on now, the only time I use a wav is for a

> very rhythmically free flute melody that doesn't really need to be=20
> there at all times.  If it gets out of sync I don't care because the=20
> nature of the music
> is more timbre based and works at any point you place it at.
>
> Ice_Planet (my first DMDemo) replaced the originl wave project I tried

> to create.  IcePlanet has one wave track with a single guitar chord in

> it.
>
> -Scott Morgan
> http://Morganstudios.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Booth" <jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:40 PM
> Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> neck..
>
>
> >
> > You may be right, but I don't want to give up on DMP just yet. Most=20
> > likely, if we roll our own solution, it will sit on top of Direct=20
> > Music, with primary segments triggering our code. This is because I=20
> > eventually want to explore using DLS2 instruments on top of my wav=20
> > sections, by embeding the wav segments chord changes into the=20
> > segment for reference. I also want to be able to use the player=20
> > music concept we used in AC2, which is pretty fundimentally a DMP=20
> > type of system. Anyway, I'm only going to bang my head against the=20
> > wall so long before we start rolling our own. The difficulty, of=20
> > course, will be convincing our management to spend the code time=20
> > after we have our old music system (the one used for AC2) finished=20
> > and (mostly) working correctly.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Saul Bottcher [mailto:saul.bottcher@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:21 PM
> > To: directmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [directmusic] Re: MP3 encoded wav tracks, a pain in the=20
> > neck..
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Jason,
> >
> >     From an outside perspective: you seem to be pretty frustrated=20
> > early in the project, and have enumerated a long list of=20
> > difficulties that don't seem surmountable (i.e. behaviours of DMP=20
> > you have no way of changing).  Plus, DMusic doesn't seem to be=20
> > saving you much work (since you'll need to re-implement groove=20
> > levels in scripts), and saving work is what a good tool does for
you.
> >     If you are comfortable with the concept, it sounds like creating

> > your own music system might be the way to go this time.
> >     (Which is not to disparage DirectMusic at all - no single tool=20
> > is the right solution for every job, even within its intended=20
> > scope).
> >
> >     Saul.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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