[delphizip] Re: Size of new DelphiZip dll
- From: "R.Peters" <russellpeters@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <delphizip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:48:30 +1100
I have been trying to run it under Parallels workstation but it too is way
too slow to do anything constructive - I can only give it 780 Meg but the
minimum apparently is 1 Meg (there must be getting a lot of unhappy people
out there).
I did dual boot to Vista RC2 but had to change the other hard drive and lost
the boot setup - their new boot seems to allow a lot but I could not fix it
unless I could boot into Vista (no doubt some decent tools not using .Net
will appear in the future).
The early tests showed the unsigned dll worked ok at user level but I lost
the drive in the middle of deeper testing and after all the boot hassles I
removed it instead of installing it again (after it tried to repair itself
reinstall was only option).
I had hoped some of those prompts had been removed but it appears not - a
web application accessing the clipboard is, or can be, dangerous but surely
there is something in the numerous security settings.
I get the impression that it will be rather unfriendly to non-.NET programs
and I suspect particularly so to dynamically loaded dlls - time will tell.
- Russell Peters
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On Behalf Of Engler, Eric
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:46 AM
To: delphizip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [delphizip] Re: Size of new DelphiZip dll
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I've got Vista Ultimate in a VMWare session, and it's a real dog. I gave it
only 780 Meg of RAM and it wants a lot more, so it thrashes my hard disk a
lot. It takes a full 5 minutes to boot, and about 2 or 3 to shut down.
You can run as admin by right-clicking and selecting "run as admin".
This only works if your userid really has admin privs.=20
There is probably a way to tell it that you trust the key used to sign the
DLL and EXE. I am guessing it can remember that and not prompt every time.
But I don't know how to do that yet. I know how to do that with Code Access
Security in .NET using caspol.exe, so maybe that applies to
Win32 Delphi also? You can tell it to trust any application run from a
certain network zone, or signed by a specific key. It's got a lot of options
so it's extremely hard to figure out exactly which options you should use.
Vista prompts me so many times that I feel like throwing the computer out
the window! But I understand there's some registry hacks to fix that
nonsense. I haven't had time to research this.
One thing that bugs me a lot is that it prompts every time a web application
reads or writes to the clipboard. We do that a lot in our company site
because we use the clipboard to exchange data with Excel on the client
computer.
-----Original Message-----
From: delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of R.Peters
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:33 PM
To: delphizip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [delphizip] Re: Size of new DelphiZip dll
I have not managed to do much testing in Vista as yet because I only have
RC2 and too many crashes.
As far as I can tell it depends upon what privileges the calling program is
running under plus those of the files being accessed - I think there will be
more problems show up.
From memory it asked before running on first load or just refused access to
the files.
Now that the instructions for installing BDS 4.0 in Vista are available I
may try re-installing it again (don't want to bye it until some more bugs
are removed and some drivers are available) to do more tests (have more
memory now so that may help with Vista as it does for BDS).
To test I must work out how to run a program at administrator level without
manually overriding it's privileges and, of course, how to debug that.
- Russell Peters
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From: delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Engler, Eric
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:24 AM
To: delphizip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [delphizip] Re: Size of new DelphiZip dll
Importance: High
I guess if you don't sign it, Vista will always ask a user if it's ok to run
the program? Yuck!
Does it only ask when the DLL is first loaded?
-----Original Message-----
From: delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:delphizip-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of R.Peters
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:15 PM
To: delphizip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [delphizip] Re: Size of new DelphiZip dll
It is now made with BDS 4.0 and uses more modern, hopefully safer and more
secure, libraries.
Signing it only adds about 4K but helps to keep Vista happy.
- Russell Peters
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