[ddots-l] FW: FW: Re: Repeating, the last question
- From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:22:00 -0600
Kevin:
Regarding the 2nd ending, you can definitely use that to lead to the end of
a song if you choose. This is done all the time. Since I don't know anything
about the music, I can't say about the D.S. approach. Even though calling it
a Coda is something of a misnomer, I can't really think of why that wouldn't
work unless the repeated section is very short. A coda is usually thought of
as an added bit, an extension of the music leading to the end. Really, from
the way I understood this, it is an exact repeat of a certain amount of
material and the last measure of the repeat is the end of the song. Unless
there is a need to save paper or it leads to a weird page turn, I would
normally just write it out again. With computers, it's just copy and paste.
This leads to no questions at all. Especially, if the repeated section is
short. If it's very long, then the DS approach or the coda sign with
directions might be reasonable but it's still a little odd since there isn't
an actual coda.
The whole point, as you know, is always, what is the easiest to understand
during an at-sight read through. If there is a completely unambiguous way to
do something, that should almost always be the first choice. Still,
sometimes those questions come up and we just want to know what the options
are and how to write them correctly. The person might want to have an answer
to the question even if s/he chose to write it all out.
Be Well,
Jimmy
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jimmy,
I would have used the sign/DS approach accept for the fact that I had
the impression from what the guy wrote that the music didn't lend itself to
that. Similarly, I didn't think of the 1st and 2nd ending because the last
measure was the end of the piece. I usually relate to 1st and 2nd endings
in a song form where there's a bridge coming next. That's why I thought the
terms in which I did. I agree that I would have to write 2x as you
described.
We'll talk later.
K.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Lockett [mailto:poppajol@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Kevin Gibbs
Subject: Re: FW: [ddots-l] Re: Repeating, the last question
Kevin:
I'm on my way to the gym but this is a quickie. You are partially correct in
that Dave's answer is not right. There are two standard ways to do this.
Using your method, at the measure where you want the person to start the
repeat you would place a "sign" the little S with the line and 2 dots. Then,
where you want them to go back you would write "D.S al Coda." The player
goes back to the sign and plays along until your coda symbol from which s/he
jumps to the next coda symbol. The other way, which I would probably lean
toward, would be with 1st and 2nd ending symbols and they would usually be 2
measures, even though you could do it with one. The way you described it is
also possible but you would have to write some directions along with your
1st Coda sign. You could write "2nd X" next to the Coda sign or something
like that.
Hope this helps and Happy New Year.
Be Well,
Jimmy
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jimmy,
This answer doesn't sound right. It came from a blind guy to a
blind guy so I didn't trust it. I would have done it differently. Assuming
that the person was repeating a section once and that the last repeated bar
was the last bar of the piece, I would have:
1. placed at least a repeat forward bar where the repeated section begins
and a repeat end bar where it ends. However, I would have put a coda mark
one bar before the last bar of the repeated section and another coda sign in
a "duplicate" last bar after the backward repeat sign. That last bar would
have the final bar on it. Am I losing my mind?
Best,
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:01 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Repeating, the last question
Just put a repeat forward (double bar with right-facing double dots) at the
beginning of the bar where you want the repeat to start. You don't need the
other repeat at the end because the final double bar line implies that it is
the other boundary of the repeat.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramy Moustafa" <moshtaqlealganna@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: January 02, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Repeating, the last question
hi all:
Using sibelius.
if u please, now, with all your help, i can enter the ds, dc, etc, but am
asking about, if i need to repeat a section in the piece, but this well be
the last section, after it it well be the end, no more staves,
What shall i write then?
Thanks
Cheers
Ramy Moustafa
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