[cryptome] Re: Freelists As Well As NSA Snooping Addendum
- From: Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:03:40 -0700
I agree with Aftermath, however I understand John's position as well.
I just assume all listservs are public (likely from longtime use of usenet.)
If I had something sensitive to send to John, I certainly wouldn't post
it on the open list.
There is some good discussion that happens here; I'd rather the list find a new
home (perhaps at Riseup, as Ben suggested) than be abandoned.
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
-George Orwell
On Jul 26, 2013 10:43 AM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think this mailing list is another fine way to exchange information and
Ideas. please dont close it
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Ben McGinnes <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 26/07/13 9:57 PM, John Young wrote:
>
> Cryptome does not support secret forums, instead participants should
> know contents are public before joining a forum or participating.
I blame webmail. Ever since people stopped looking at email in a mail
client, they started treating mailing lists like reddit or some PHP
forum.
> This list has had little traffic and only a small number of
> posters. That's a fine alternative to social media frenzy of aiding
> official and commercial spying that is fostering the unwary frenzy
> to harvest its "free" bounty.
Certainly freelists.org isn't the best option given what you want, but
there are alternatives.
> We add on the possible list closing, all messages will be deleted,
> subscriber list too.
>
> But, destroying public information is abominable, so we are open to
> persuasion on this.
What I would do is this:
1) Fine a new service that provides complete control, e.g. like that
offered by RiseUp: https://www.riseup.net/en/lists
2) Create the new list, play with the settings, test it.
3) Either disable the archive entirely or restrict it to subscribers
only.
4) Announce the new list on the old list for people to subscribe and
post to with links to the relevant guides. Warn the
subscribers
about step 5 and what to expect (which you should know from testing
in step 2).
5) Mass subscribe the entire list of subscribers to the new list.
6) Prevent further posting to the old list and make a copy of the
entire archive at that point (e.g. as a .zip file).
7) If there's a file share for the new list, upload the copy of the
old archive for subscriber access only.
8) Delete the old list, including the archive and subscriber list.
That's it.
Oh, I used riseup.net in the example because they provide services to
activists and are big on privacy, even on mailing lists. The only
potential drawback is whether you'd class Cryptome as radical in the
same way as they would. I'd be surprised if they took that tack given
all the stuff you publish, but who knows.
Regards,
Ben
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