In a message dated 4/13/04 7:41:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, muirhead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Yeah, I tried that route, but I found the same thing. http://www.f-prot.com/products/corporate_users/dos/ F-Prot for DOS........... can download to a floppy. Both exe file and defs fit on a floppy. Well, only Sign.def. There is a Sign2.def (Trojans, etc.) and one for Macros. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Age is not a particularly interesting subject. Anyone can get old. All you have to do is live long enough .Groucho Marx (1890 - 1977)