Hi Glenn, I wanted to download the necessary files for trying out your suggestion about being able to run version 1's Explorer as a stand alone application. Calmira.org's earliest version available is Li-Hsin's version 2.2, but it is a source release. What does that mean?; will it have to be compiled? Per the site, a version 2.2 in German has a link, but I haven't been able to download the file yet from any of the choice of ftp: sub-links. (Web page error.) I was hoping the German version was executable, just to try it out. Anyway, does version 1 still exist anywhere, can someone point me to the website, or forward it to me as a zip (needs to be a zip) attachment? (billmoy@xxxxxxxxx) Both Taskbars (original Windows and Calmira's) are able to run as stand alone applications. The problem is that it is inefficient to run it as a Windows shell because it doesn't have a "Run..." Menu to execute another application, but merely switches among those already running. I just tried out Metz Runner, an extremely small program which has a sole purpose is to produce a run input field. It has a nag screen for unregistered users and it exits Windows abruptly (no confirmation upon exiting Windows.) For sheer size, it's the best so far for my MinWin configuration with task switching ability. Here is a better answer for my File Manager tip posted earlier about copying/moving files/directories on the same drive: (for those interested) Set up your target directory first by going there, press <F8> to Copy, <shift-tab> to focus on From: input field, target path should already be highlighted, <Ctrl-C> to copy target path, <Esc> to close Copy dialogue Box, hilight desired file(s)/directory to transfer, <F7> or <F8> to Move or Copy, respectively, <Ctrl-V> to paste target path into To: input field, <Enter> done. Everything is related to F7 or F8 so it's easy to remember. Also tried NCOM, Norbert Commander, (shareware downloaded from Simtel) a small file manager that utilized 4DOS file description. It works!, but for my taste, it needs getting used to. Also, does *not* have a "Run..." function and does not show all file details in the listing. Owell... -Bill -----Original Message----- From: GLENNRPH@xxxxxxx [mailto:GLENNRPH@xxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:37 PM To: calmira_tips@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: <CT> Re: Calmira below minimum requirements: CGA & File Mana In a message dated 01-12-01 02:02:16 EST, you write: << Re: Calmira below minimum requirements: CGA & File Mana >> Hmmm, by golly, I think there is a way to do this! IIRC, Calmira version 1 WILL ALLOW you to run Explorer, as well as Taskbar as seperate Windows applications. But, it's been so long since I used version 1...this may be possible in the later version 2.2 also, don't remember for sure...I usually ran them all in one. As I said, I may be wrong, especially on the Explorer part...but I know the Taskbar in version 1 can be ran without running the rest of Calmira! C U L8R! Glenn http://members.surfbest.net/wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx/index.htm (my new web site, in addition to the members.aol.com/GLENNRPH/glennrph.htm) -- To unsubscribe, send a message to listar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit http://freelists.dhs.org -- To unsubscribe, send a message to listar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit http://freelists.dhs.org