[bookshare-discuss] Re: I think Roger was answering me. Mostly.
- From: "Linda Stover" <liamskitten@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:25:51 -0500
Roger,
I hope the experiment worked, though judging by the later messages on
the list, it did.
I'm sorry I somehow got the wrong impression, and thanks for
clarifying what you were saying.
Courtney
On 10/20/08, roger.loran.bailey@xxxxxxxxx <roger.loran.bailey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> First, I did find one of those messages from myself that I thought had
> not posted in my gmail archives, so after I get through all the
> overnight email that was waiting for me I am going to try an
> experiment to find out exactly how these emails are being received in
> my gmail account.
>
> Second, I have no idea how you got the impression that I would
> consider commentary on Christianity and the bible as nonfiction and
> consider such commentary on Wicca to be fiction. I regard all religion
> as equal, equally wrong, but still equal.
>
> On 10/20/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Roger,
>>
>> Firstly, I have no idea why G-mail is not allowing you to view your
>> messages along with the accompanying replies, as this has never been a
>> problem for me.
>>
>> Secondly, let me see if I can illustrate Cindy's point from another
>> perspective. I, personally, am a very proud practitioner of Wicca.
>> If I hear your discourse correctly, and please correct me if I am
>> wrong because I do not wish to foster misunderstandings, you are
>> saying that any commentaries/religious writings which cover my
>> religion would be considered fiction, while the Bible would be
>> considered nonfiction. Although to a practitioner of Christianity,
>> this is in no way offensive, it would be to someone who did not
>> practice Christianity. By simply classifying everything as religious,
>> Cindey very diplomatically avoids offending anyone, since the Bible,
>> too, could be considered a religious text.
>> Courtney
>>
>> On 10/19/08, roger.loran.bailey@xxxxxxxxx <roger.loran.bailey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Okay, I still need to figure out this gmail. I am new to it, but I do
>>> recall someone mentioning that it does not receive messages from
>>> oneself posted to a list. I may end up resubscribing from my other
>>> address and perhaps stop having those emails forwarded to the gmail
>>> account. I am not certain if I got the responses to my posts or not.
>>> As for whether to classify the bible and bible stories as fiction or
>>> not, the bible is full of myths and legends passed off as history as
>>> is the case in virtually all ancient writings. Oftentimes ancient
>>> writings actually are history as is the case in the bible, but in
>>> ancient times the dichotomy between materialist and idealist
>>> philosophy had not yet been discovered. Mor specifically, materialism
>>> had not been explicated even though it could be said that it had been
>>> discovered or at least used from the time of the evolution of human
>>> consciousness. What it comes down to is that the ancients were unable
>>> to distinguish between reality and superstition. That means that
>>> pretty much all of the bible was written with the intention that it be
>>> regarded as nonfiction. Now, much of this material was written down
>>> very soon after writing was invented. Before that there was an oral
>>> tradition in passing information from one generation to another. If
>>> writing had just been invented then what was there to write about. The
>>> obvious choice would have been these oral stories that had been passed
>>> on over time. Were those regarded as just entertainment, that is,
>>> fiction? If one can infer the intention from more recent prehistoric
>>> illiterate peoples living in historical times, that is, if we look at
>>> anthropological studies, we can see that for the most part these
>>> stories are meant to be taken seriously as either the literal truth or
>>> if not the literal truth then as very serious stories meant to convey
>>> a profound point much as an essay is. That would mean that the bible
>>> as a whole should be classified as nonfiction. There is one book of
>>> the bible that many scholars do think might have been intended as
>>> fiction though. It is the book of Ruth. That one was written about a
>>> hundred or more years after the time it portrays and might have
>>> actually been an early form of an historical novel. I would say that
>>> if that one is published seperately and out of the context of the
>>> bible it might be classified as fiction, but since there is still a
>>> lot of disigreement among biblical scholars about the intention behind
>>> its writing I think it could be equally as well classified as
>>> nonfiction. As for a book of "bible stories," if they adhere closely
>>> to an accepted translation of the bible and if it is meant for adult
>>> consumption, in which case it is probably published as a method of
>>> preaching or converting, then I would suppose it probably should be
>>> classified as nonfiction. However, the only "bible stories" books I
>>> have ever seen were intended for children. The intent is clearly to
>>> indoctrinate the children, but from what I have seen the stories are
>>> greatly modified, simplified and written in a fictional manner with
>>> the purpose of entertaining the children apparently to keep the
>>> interest of the children so the main purpose can be carried out. If I
>>> am to pass judgment on whether a specific book of that type should be
>>> considered fiction or not I would have to examine the specific book,
>>> but all the "bible stories" books I have seen are written in a manner
>>> such that I would feel comfortable in classifying them as fiction.
>>>
>>> On 10/19/08, Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Roger,
>>>>
>>>> All your discourses were posted, including the very long one, and were
>>>> interesting reads and provoked interesting discussions. It's unfortunate
>>>> that you weren't able to see the replies. smile
>>>>
>>>> If an author is expressing/his opinion on a religious matter, or
>>>> delivering
>>>> a sermon, yes, that would be nonfiction, and for the list I probably
>>>> will
>>>> note that it is nonfiction. The title and synopsis will give more
>>>> information about the content. But the Bible, and books entitled stories
>>>> from the Bible--those fit your definition of fiction, do they not? Yet a
>>>> lot
>>>> of people would disagree. smile
>>>>
>>>> G. Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It went like this: My point was that fiction
>>>>> does not equal
>>>>> falseness and nonfiction does not equal truth, so there
>>>>> should be no
>>>>> problem with classifying religious books as nonfiction if
>>>>> it was the
>>>>> intention of the author that they be nonfiction. Books
>>>>> classified as
>>>>> fiction should be a story with a plot and narrative without
>>>>> regard to
>>>>> whether they were written from a religious point of view or
>>>>> not.
>>>>
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