[bookshare-discuss] Re: Fw: Your book has been marked for more editing
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:00:30 -0700
Hi, Gwen, I understand where you're coming from and I've also talked to
submitters who are very careful with there files trying to make them the
best they can be. I don't know this for a fact, but I've heard of
proofreaders who'd check out a file and hardly do anything on it. I think a
proofreader should read the whole file and I mean from the first word to the
last, not a quick look and hardly do anything unless the scan is so good
they don't need to do hardly anything. Let me give you an example. I've
downloaded Penguin Complete Father Brown Stories by G. K. Chesterton. Now
mind you, it's marked as being of excellent quality, but I'll bet you either
that the file wasn't proofread at all or if so, it was just glanced through.
There were a lot of scanos in there. Now for me, I wouldn't want a file to
go up to Bookshare being hard to read. I want the text to be right. If I'm
reading a book, I don't want to have to be puzzled about what word I'm
reading. It's a point of principle for me to make sure the file is as good
as I can make it. I'm sure you want the same thing and you tried your utmost
to see that it was. I think submitters and proofreaders are serving the
readers because the ultimate goal is readable books either for work, study,
or pleasure. Regards, Kim Friedman.
_____
From: gwen tweedy [mailto:gstweedy@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:38 AM
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Fw: Your book has been marked for more
editing
Then I wouldn't put a book up if I was that picky about my books which are
bookshare's after all the intent is to get the book into the collection, so
a person pays good money for the books, proof readers do the very best job
they can do in the best way they know how.
Some are just more skilled than others, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't do
a good job, and if a person puts a book up I say that is the risk they take
other wise don't put them up if a book is that precious to a person and
most of the books are there for ages.
People take on too much all at once, and they take on other people's books
when they have loads of books at home they can do so those could be saved
for those who don't have anything to do.
Just because a person doesn't proofread in the same way another person does,
doesn't mean they too, can't or don't do a good job.
That is part of the volunteering chances you take.
If a person has paid all that precious money for a book then read it and
keep it to themselves or see if they can put a person on the list that s
cans and proofs their own books that nobody messes up their precious books.
If there was that big of a worry then I wouldn't submit it at all.
To me I'd give to Bookshare without reservation and that would include my
books if I scanned any.
So I paid good money, big deal, I'd pay good money anyway so what is the
difference who proofread them everybody does the best job they can now
whether it is up to their expectations that is another matter entirely.
And who says the proofer doesn't go through the book or read it that is
pure suposition and you don't know what they've done to the book quick turn
around or not,
can't be any worse than the publisher books there are tuns of them and they
go up fast.
But I'm not gonna say every publisher does a poor job just because there is
a quick turn around.
When I scanned a book once I put it up that book to me, was no longer mine
it was bookshare's as I entended it to be.
I wouldn't have put it up other wise and whoever took the gracious time to
proof it I was glad and appreciated their efforts no matter how big or
small.
Nope we're gonna agree to disagree on this one that is probably why I ain't
a volunteer any more.
Gwen
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE <mailto:mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Fw: Your book has been marked for more
editing
The books, unless they were borrowed from a library or from another person,
belong to the people who scanned them, who often paid good money to get
them. They have a right to ensure that their books are properly proofread,
instead of being turned around in three minutes by someone who didn't even
look at them. The hold for is the only way of guaranteeing that a book will
actually be proofread.
There is a policy that a hold for should last for two weeks, and then the
book reverts to nonhold for status. If there are holds longer than that on
the Check Out page, then either someone wrote to Carrrie to get an
extension, or she just hasn't had time to remove the hold fors yet.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: gwen tweedy <mailto:gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Fw: Your book has been marked for more
editing
I agree with you Traci.
I think it should be first come, first serve unless there are extenuating
circumstances such as a corporation or language burrier thing.
But individual books, shouldn't have holds on them at all.
I think once a book is scanned and put up it belongs to Bookshare, there has
been many books I would have helped on series or stuff, but they had holds
for and some hidden, that is how I got into trouble grabbing wrong books.
They need to do away with the hold for altogether to me and let the chips
fall where they may,
some folks might have gotten to do books they enjoyed, instead of doing a
book you don't enjoy simply because there are no choices.
Gwen
----- Original Message -----
From: traci <mailto:season@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 11:35 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Fw: Your book has been marked for more editing
I am so furious right now. I mean, it is probably all my fault but still.
As I understand it, the whole point of bookshare is volunteering and sharing
books. I scan and share what I have and proof what others have submitted. We
get credits from this and hopefully by year's end, we have enough credits to
either satisfy the membership cost or to at least significantly reduce the
amount. However, not taking into consideration the cost, this book wasn't
that long--only 200 or something pages. But take Chances by Jackie Collins.
That book was 800 plus pages. And to receive an email like this makes me
want to rip my hair out by the roots and throw a tantrum to rival my five
year old. We all have lives so I am in no way minimizing what others do. But
try being a single mom of six hormonal girls ranging in age from 18 to 5 and
a 4 year old. My time is in very short supply so I use my insomniac nights
to scan and then to get something like this??? I read each and every page
looking for scannos and I also use sighted help when available. I try to
make the proofing as easy as possible because I have read earlier submitions
that never should have made it to the library. I am using openbook 8 and a
lexmark scanner and my screenreader, Window Eyes 7.2. Somehow I didn't
realize that page breaks weren't happening so read the below email. Does
this mean I go and resub my earlier submitions??? and about proofing. I
agree with Patti. I have seen some of the same books on the list needing to
be proofed dating back to May of 2009 and many are on hold. can't we have a
moritorium or something stating that if you haven't done anything with a
book on hold for you in say 60 days that it be returned so that others can
have the opportunity to proof? I mean, if there's nothing interesting to
proofread, then your only other option is submitting and who gets all warm
and fuzzy about submitting after receiving an email like this?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bookshare <mailto:support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Support
To: season@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Your book has been marked for more editing
Dear Traci
Thank you for your efforts to prepare a book for Bookshare. We are
contacting you because your submission, Moth to a Flame by Ashley Antoinette
has been marked for more editing before publication on Bookshare.org.
We invite you to contact volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx if you need more
information regarding this submission. We appreciate the time you spend
contributing to Bookshare.org, and look forward to continuing to build the
collection together.
Below are some of the specific reasons for the request for further editing
of this submission:
To the submitter: Please keep paragraph breaks (but not line breaks) when
you scan books. To the proofreader: It looks like most pages are one long
paragraph. Please add paragraph breaks where appropriate so they match the
scanned book. Since neither of you left your email address in the comments
section, I can't ask one to contact the other, due to privacy concerns. The
only option left is for the proofreader to get the book from the library and
check it for paragraph breaks. Or release the book and let someone else put
in the paragraph breaks.
Thank you,
The Bookshare Team
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