this book, a moth to a flame, was only 200 and some odd pages. i did not receive the email for chances which was 800 plus pages. if i do i swear i'm gonna have a conniption! but everything you said is true. in some cases, i have scanned a page up to ten times, no exageration, trying to get it right. i am a perfectionist and when i scan, now that i know how to do it, i do my level best to get rid of all the random junk the scanner finds and dumps in there like a bullet here, a dropped i there etc. i have submitted somewhere around 6 or 7 books and i have yet to have one make the collection. the first one i understood because i was new to scanning and there were admittedly some major problems. i submitted the wrong file and once it was done, there was nothing i could do about it. but the others in my humble opinion, have been very clean scans once i cleaned them up. in one case, i compared the printed book to an audiobook i checked out from the library when sighted help wasn't here. so go figure. i know i sound like a brat so i'l go and sit in time out. but at this point, i'm not feeling all warm and fuzzy and this isn't book sharing at all, i'm reading books i like and the ones i try to share just sit there or get rejected. boohoo. i'm going to bed. it's 4'"46 anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Friedman To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Fw: Your book has been marked for more editing Hi, Traci, I'm wondering if I got a letter like yours, only in my case, I've done a proofread of Jack of Kinrowan an omnibus of two novels by Charles de Lint. It said that page breaks were not present in pp.2-4. Funny thing is, my screen reader says they're there. I worked on this for about a month. I'm sorry, but this seems very picayuney to me considering I don't know who the submitter is, hence I can't contact him. Carrie Karnos was working with me on this one. I think you and I have received a form email. Well, needless to say, I was distressed. Sorry you too are thinking about having a hissy-fit, though I'd say mine is child's play as compared to yours. I can only say I empathize with you. I bet you worked your fingers to the bone, exercised your mind and judgment in order to get that scan looking satisfactory. I'm that way with a proofread. I depend on you to make the scan look right so all I need do is read every word catching anything just in case you missed something. The one I was working on required me to make sure the pagination was formatted correctly, the unnecessary headers stripped, scanos and junk characters deleted, and I tried to make quotations were on a separate line from the action, in short, I wanted the text to be easy to read in Braille or otherwise. Anyhow, I wrote Carrie, and I really hope what I did ends up in the collection and is not rejected. I hope your project ends up in the collection for others to download. Take care of yourself and know other submitters and proofreaders are pulling for you. Regards, Kim. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: traci [mailto:season@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:35 PM To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Fw: Your book has been marked for more editing I am so furious right now. I mean, it is probably all my fault but still. As I understand it, the whole point of bookshare is volunteering and sharing books. I scan and share what I have and proof what others have submitted. We get credits from this and hopefully by year's end, we have enough credits to either satisfy the membership cost or to at least significantly reduce the amount. However, not taking into consideration the cost, this book wasn't that long--only 200 or something pages. But take Chances by Jackie Collins. That book was 800 plus pages. And to receive an email like this makes me want to rip my hair out by the roots and throw a tantrum to rival my five year old. We all have lives so I am in no way minimizing what others do. But try being a single mom of six hormonal girls ranging in age from 18 to 5 and a 4 year old. My time is in very short supply so I use my insomniac nights to scan and then to get something like this??? I read each and every page looking for scannos and I also use sighted help when available. I try to make the proofing as easy as possible because I have read earlier submitions that never should have made it to the library. I am using openbook 8 and a lexmark scanner and my screenreader, Window Eyes 7.2. Somehow I didn't realize that page breaks weren't happening so read the below email. Does this mean I go and resub my earlier submitions??? and about proofing. I agree with Patti. I have seen some of the same books on the list needing to be proofed dating back to May of 2009 and many are on hold. can't we have a moritorium or something stating that if you haven't done anything with a book on hold for you in say 60 days that it be returned so that others can have the opportunity to proof? I mean, if there's nothing interesting to proofread, then your only other option is submitting and who gets all warm and fuzzy about submitting after receiving an email like this? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bookshare Support To: season@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: Your book has been marked for more editing Dear Traci Thank you for your efforts to prepare a book for Bookshare. We are contacting you because your submission, Moth to a Flame by Ashley Antoinette has been marked for more editing before publication on Bookshare.org. We invite you to contact volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx if you need more information regarding this submission. We appreciate the time you spend contributing to Bookshare.org, and look forward to continuing to build the collection together. Below are some of the specific reasons for the request for further editing of this submission: To the submitter: Please keep paragraph breaks (but not line breaks) when you scan books. To the proofreader: It looks like most pages are one long paragraph. Please add paragraph breaks where appropriate so they match the scanned book. Since neither of you left your email address in the comments section, I can't ask one to contact the other, due to privacy concerns. The only option left is for the proofreader to get the book from the library and check it for paragraph breaks. Or release the book and let someone else put in the paragraph breaks. 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