[blindav] Bookshelf Speakers and MOre
- From: "Diego Demaya" <diegodemaya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:15:35 -0600
Hi Guys,
Finally, a group of audio enthusiasts I can talk to! Ahem.. I mean
audiophiles!
Steve, if you plan on getting a DVD Audio player, I would like to recommend
a couple of universal players you can still get in excellent shape from
eBay.
Denon DVD 3910 Universal DVD Player (Circa 2003-2004)
I have a Denon DVD 3910 SACD/DVD-A/CD/CD-R/CD-RW player that has HDMI output
along with a host of other outputs to meet any type of input out there -
including the infamous I-Link multichannel audio connection (technically
known as an IEEE1394 4 pin data connector). This one even came with a DVi
PC connection for viewing on a PC monitor. The machine is massive at over 22
lbs and has a technical while still somewhat warm sound in flat response. It
is truly audiophile with SACD 5.1 and Stereo plus DVD-Audio 5.1 and Stereo
in addition to DTS and the various Dolby decoders. It has the Burr Brown
DACs and gold plated analog outputs for all channels at 24 bit 192 kHz.
Pioneer Elite DV-59Txi Universal DVD Player (circa 2004 - 2006)
Pioneer's Elite's flagship DVD player with SACD and DVD-Audio and the same
specs as the Denon above - only different in its Piano finish looks and more
refined Elite lines. I have this one connected presently with the matched
Pioneer VSX-59Txi Reference Amplifier and digital and analog audio processor
connected via the I-Link input.
If you have not yet heard DVD-A or SACD processed in the true digital
domain, this would be the way to go and not spend a fortune rising to
reference gear. Playing simple Red Book CDs (44.1 KHz 16 bit) becomes
entirely an old fashioned analog experience. It is like having a turntable
back in action. I recently purchased the Rolling Stones album "Let it Bleed"
(1969) on hybrid SACD 2-channle stereo (88.2 KHz 24 bit) for $20. The
quality of the sound is simply the last word. Every detail and depth of the
music comes to life. The deep base and hard strumming acoustic guitars are
brilliant with a separation between all instruments that is uncanny. There
are approximately 16 Stones SACDs that were released and are now out of
print on the AVKCO label. Supposedly, these were taken from the original
London label masters only available in the UK. Apparently, the US was never
sent Stones material from these masters - that include both stereo and mono
renditions. Stones, as is the case with Beatles, material has apparently
been bastardized multiple times before the US market got any decent
recordings - even on LP. Now days, thankfully, there appears to be a
resurgence of master LP and a few items of interest on SACD, DVD-Audio, and
master 200g and 180g LPs.
Enjoy the Music,
Diego Demaya
From: blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:36 PM
To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
Yeah, I just looked up the specs. They claimed ten inch.
They were certainly a great speaker for their time. But, design has gone up
several notches since then; I have a pair of Acoustic Research AR-9's in my
second system; those were nice back in the 1980s but today you can buy
speakers for half their price that run circles around them; at least if you
get large floor-standing ones.
I am actually leaning toward a good sub with smaller speakers just because
of space considerations.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:19 PM
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
The specs for the large Advent gave the woofer diameter as 12", but it
actually measured more like 10", but it was definitely larger than 8". One
thing I rmember about the woofer in this speaker is that there was putty or
some other gunk around the frame, which wasn't very attractive, and gave the
woofer a cheapo appearance. But for its price, it was hard to beat. As far
as blowing the tweeters, my Advents were connected to a Sansui 9090DB
receiver which pumped out 125 watts RMS per channel, making it the most
powerful two-channel receiver of its time, and I never blew them.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <mailto:pipeguy920@xxxxxxxxx>
To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:02 PM
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
Couple comments. I had a pair of large Advents back in the 70's and they
did not have that large of a woofer; it wouldn't have been more than 8-inch
max. And, if you drove it too hard; the cross-over network wouldn't handle
it and would blow the tweeter.
They came out in 1971, and I got a chance to meet Henry Kloss at the CES in
1976.
For bookshelf speakers with smooth extended bass, maybe the Dayton RS-180 if
they are still available. But, most bookshelf speakers won't reporduce bass
and a satellite system with a subwoofer would be better if you don't have
room for a floor-standing set of speakers.
Frank, as for your comment about bass management; sub placement is critical.
But, I'd rather screw aroound with that and phasing and such than trying to
get a pair of eyes to help navigate the bass management menus on my
components.
By the way, I have a Yamaha receiver; Sony SACD changer; Definitive
Technology floor standing speakers with built-in power subs; as well as
DefTech center and rurrounds.
My DVD-Audio player's DVD laser just died; so I'm in the process of getting
a replacement DVD-A player for the system.
Steve
Lansing, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Frankie Ventura <mailto:Frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 11:02 AM
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
This is true and all very well stated. It is almost assumed by speaker
manufacturers these days that a separate sub will be used. Not that there is
anything wrong with that but it brings up questions such as sub placement,
cost, and base management. Does your pre-amp or receiver have any base
management built in? If not then those settings must be made on the sub
itself and are not readily accessible, especially if the sub is in a corner
or tucked under a table.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 6:29 AM
To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
The problem with bookshelf speakers these days is that they're not built
like they used to be. In the heyday of two-channel stereo in the 1970's and
1980's , you could buy a great-sounding pair of bookshelf speakers like the
original large Advents or AR5A's with 10" or 12" woofers that could really
pump out the bass. But today, most bookshelf speakers are designed to work
with separate subwoofers and so usually have woofers no larger than 6.5",
which means that decent bass response is seriously compromised. You can't
even find bookshelf speakers with 8" woofers anymore. So if you have a
small listening room that cannot accomodate a floor-standing subwoofer,or
live in an apartment where using a floor-standing subwoofer would disturb
the downstairs neigbors, you're pretty much out of luck. Most bookshelf
speakers I have seen only go down to about 45 Hz. My large Advents could go
all the way down to about 25 Hz. My current bookshelf speakers, a pair of
JBL LXE-990's 3-way speakers that I bought about 20 years ago, are actually
tower speakers with 10" woofers, but because their cabinets are only 10"
deep, they fit nicely on my bookshelves. Nobody makes speakers like these
anymore.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:11 PM
Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers
> Bud, certainly not off topic, actually right on topic. I have always found
> most powered speakers with few exceptions to be a bit of a compromise but
> lets see what others say.
> Frank
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> Hi gang,
> I'm new here and don't know what is off topic but have a question about
> speakers. I am moving from a good size house into a converted garage
> apartment so am having to get rid of a lot of things including my floor
> speakers. I'm thinking of getting some "bookshelf speakers'" and am
> wondering what some good ones would be. I was thinking of unamplified
> ones,
> although my tuner-amp is about 20 years old and wonder if it's output
> would
> be as good as that of amplified speakers I would appreciate any input
> about
> some quality bookshelf speakers.
> Thanks..
>
>
> Bud Schwab
> W 6 Z Y P
> Malibu, California
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