The specs for the large Advent gave the woofer diameter as 12", but it actually measured more like 10", but it was definitely larger than 8". One thing I rmember about the woofer in this speaker is that there was putty or some other gunk around the frame, which wasn't very attractive, and gave the woofer a cheapo appearance. But for its price, it was hard to beat. As far as blowing the tweeters, my Advents were connected to a Sansui 9090DB receiver which pumped out 125 watts RMS per channel, making it the most powerful two-channel receiver of its time, and I never blew them. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:02 PM Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers Couple comments. I had a pair of large Advents back in the 70's and they did not have that large of a woofer; it wouldn't have been more than 8-inch max. And, if you drove it too hard; the cross-over network wouldn't handle it and would blow the tweeter. They came out in 1971, and I got a chance to meet Henry Kloss at the CES in 1976. For bookshelf speakers with smooth extended bass, maybe the Dayton RS-180 if they are still available. But, most bookshelf speakers won't reporduce bass and a satellite system with a subwoofer would be better if you don't have room for a floor-standing set of speakers. Frank, as for your comment about bass management; sub placement is critical. But, I'd rather screw aroound with that and phasing and such than trying to get a pair of eyes to help navigate the bass management menus on my components. By the way, I have a Yamaha receiver; Sony SACD changer; Definitive Technology floor standing speakers with built-in power subs; as well as DefTech center and rurrounds. My DVD-Audio player's DVD laser just died; so I'm in the process of getting a replacement DVD-A player for the system. Steve Lansing, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Frankie Ventura To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 11:02 AM Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers This is true and all very well stated. It is almost assumed by speaker manufacturers these days that a separate sub will be used. Not that there is anything wrong with that but it brings up questions such as sub placement, cost, and base management. Does your pre-amp or receiver have any base management built in? If not then those settings must be made on the sub itself and are not readily accessible, especially if the sub is in a corner or tucked under a table. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindav-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 6:29 AM To: blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers The problem with bookshelf speakers these days is that they're not built like they used to be. In the heyday of two-channel stereo in the 1970's and 1980's , you could buy a great-sounding pair of bookshelf speakers like the original large Advents or AR5A's with 10" or 12" woofers that could really pump out the bass. But today, most bookshelf speakers are designed to work with separate subwoofers and so usually have woofers no larger than 6.5", which means that decent bass response is seriously compromised. You can't even find bookshelf speakers with 8" woofers anymore. So if you have a small listening room that cannot accomodate a floor-standing subwoofer,or live in an apartment where using a floor-standing subwoofer would disturb the downstairs neigbors, you're pretty much out of luck. Most bookshelf speakers I have seen only go down to about 45 Hz. My large Advents could go all the way down to about 25 Hz. My current bookshelf speakers, a pair of JBL LXE-990's 3-way speakers that I bought about 20 years ago, are actually tower speakers with 10" woofers, but because their cabinets are only 10" deep, they fit nicely on my bookshelves. Nobody makes speakers like these anymore. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" <frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:11 PM Subject: [blindav] Re: bookshelf speakers > Bud, certainly not off topic, actually right on topic. I have always found > most powered speakers with few exceptions to be a bit of a compromise but > lets see what others say. > Frank > > Subject: bookshelf speakers > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi gang, > I'm new here and don't know what is off topic but have a question about > speakers. I am moving from a good size house into a converted garage > apartment so am having to get rid of a lot of things including my floor > speakers. I'm thinking of getting some "bookshelf speakers'" and am > wondering what some good ones would be. I was thinking of unamplified > ones, > although my tuner-amp is about 20 years old and wonder if it's output > would > be as good as that of amplified speakers I would appreciate any input > about > some quality bookshelf speakers. > Thanks.. > > > Bud Schwab > W 6 Z Y P > Malibu, California > > > > *** > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the Blind > Audio/Video email list. > To post an email to the list send an email to: > blindav@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Please don't forget to visit everyone's favorite podcast > www.avrant.com > > *** > > *** You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the Blind Audio/Video email list. 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