Don't forget the Kennedy-Nixon debates.
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman
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well they have said that the whole campaigning has changed after Nixon was
elected tohis first term when much of the campaigning relied very heavily on
the use of television. It has changed the whole method of campaigning and
message delivery.
Chuck
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From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:48 AM
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I hadn't read about people criticizing his style, although I have read
criticisms of Hillary's style. But the criticisms of style are a function of
contemporary society in which superficial characteristics and appearance appear
to be more important to people than substance. The emphasis on it came with TV
and with the advertising industries, public relations, becoming predominant in
campaigning. There's nothing slick or glossy or youthful or modern about
Sanders.
Miriam
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Sanders has to take some responsibility for marginalizing himself by this
method of presentation. At times he comes across as abrasive and smarky in a
manner that does not set well with many rank and file voters that I have
contact with. and again I am not talking about party activists or diehard
Hillary supporters. I realize that Sanders is down for his cause but he might
get more support using honey instead of vinegar.
Chuck
From: Alice Dampman Humel <mailto:alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:34 PM
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He's already been so incredibly and infuriatingly marginalized by the media
even as a Democrat.just imagine if he were out of that arena all by himself as
an independent.he wouldn't even be on the radar screen. They treat him like a
cute child, trotting out his naive little ideas for the grownups.
Hardly anyone ever speaks of him as the democratic candidate that will run
against the Republicrap. They have not taken him seriously.just as on the flip
side, no one took Trump seriously, and look what a monster has been
created.1930s Germany, anyone? No one took that little madman seriously,
either.and look what happened. Well, Santayana said it best, and here we still
are, running on that old hamster wheel in our big cage.
On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Because, if he had run as an inependent, no one would have heard his ideas.
He would have gotten absolutely no coverage in the Media. There would have been
no debates, no discussion at all, to move the party to the left aside from
Elizabeth Warren. And Warren can't do it alone. No one whom I've asked here on
Long Island, has a clue as to who Jill Stein is. Lately, they at least have
heard that Sanders is running and that there's an alternative to Clinton. I
haven't talked to one person who plans to vote for Clinton. I have talked to
some who plan not to vote at all because they don't know that there's any
alternative to her and I've met a few Trump supporters.
What I
fervently hope is that if Hillary wins the nomination, the movement that
Sanders has started will continue to work for change and that he will continue
to be part of that movement and, perhaps, work jointly with Jill Stein.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:24 PM
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Carl, yes your cynicism detecter is belting out Stairway to Heaven.
I agree
with all you have said below and you can even substitute Stein for Sanders in
the parts about the ruling class and their political assasinations. Even more
to the point if the Democratic party is so evil to some folks why is there no
outcry from those very same folks for Sanders to leave the party and run as an
independent... Hmmm... Maybe they have use for those "party loyalists" that
they piss upon after all.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:38 AM
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My my my, Frank. Do I detect just a whisper of cynicism?
Nonetheless, tomorrow I will trot off to the Quilcene high school to
participate in our caucus and cast my lot with Bernie Sanders. And when we get
past the Democratic Party freezing Sanders out, I will most probably go fishing
during the general election.
So far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Party is the Republican Party.
The last time I went Democrat and voted for a moderate, he turned out to be a
corporate man in a dark skin. So I voted for Jill Stein in the
2012
election. And we did not wind up with some crazy Republican.
We wound up with an inept Democrat. But worse than that, Obama has the blood
of thousands...maybe millions, of innocent people on his Liberal hands.
Which brings me back to my vote for Bernie. My vote for Bernie Sanders is a
Fool's Mission. If he did manage to win the Brass Ring, he would find himself
in exactly the same place Barak Obama is in.
And I don't mean the Oval Office. I mean he would find himself facing a solid
block of Sanders haters. Bernie has the entire Ruling Class waiting to chew
him up. Even his careful avoidance of any plan to disengage from our foolish
wars, will not save him. Indeed, within days of swearing to God and All, he
will be forced to stand by, while more drones go fluttering off to the Killing
Fields, the playgrounds of Muslim children.
We can continue sacrificing our fellow men and women to the service of this
Corporate Capitalist Empire, only to watch them cave in or be chewed up and
spat out. It's the system that must be changed. We working class folks have
been frozen out of real participation for many years...maybe forever.
But in order to form a new and more inclusive government, we will need to
figure out what to do with the one that is in our way. And sending Bernie into
the ring is not the answer. So, while I feel I have no stake in this game,
I'll vote for Bernie Sanders because it is my way of making a small, quiet
protest to the two-headed monster that keeps all the marbles in the hands of
the Ruling Class.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/24/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Chuck, while I did vote for Sanders in the primary, I am already regretting it.
Sadly, Sanders is starting to sound more and more like Jill Stein; that is
someone who merely wants to derail the democratic party and put a Republican in
the oval office out of some sort of protest. The sad truth is that after Stein
and Sanders get their jollies with their protest against the mainstream
Democratic party they will go back to their comfy suburban homes and sit back
with a glass of wine; while the rest of us working class suffer the onslaught
of President Trump or President Cruz and all the horrors for our nation that it
has brought. So a year from now when President Trump's death squads are roaming
the streets killing the working class Bernie and Jill will be sitting back
watching it all on Foxnews while their
private security forces guard their nicely manicured lawns.
Frank
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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:00 AM
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Miriam, in 2008 you voted for a typical Chicago politician.
Spending
time in Chicago growing up in the sixties I found the political machine in
power fascinating. My problem is that I just don't like or agree with Bernie
Sanders and don't believe he is electable nor does he possess the image of an
American president. While There are lots of things I didn't like about the
Clinton Administration and I believe that Hillary was an active participant in
the decisionmaking process and since I don't support the extreme principles of
third parties I feel that in this election I'm voting for the lesser of the
evils. I guess that there is still part of me that buys in to the capitalistic
mentality.
Chuck
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From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:43 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
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I live in New York which, probably, will continue to be a blue state.
However, whatever kind of state it is, my vote, if Bernie isn't the Democratic
candidate, will go to Jill Stein. It won't go to Trump and it won't go to the
Clinton machine. In 2008, I thought I was voting for a Democratic candidate who
represented the values in which I believed. I knew that he was a bit to the
right in terms of Afghanistan, but I tought he was a Liberal Democrat who
believed in the rule of law, in open government. I discovered that I'd voted
for an opportunist, an elitist, for a President who would ignore the
constitution whenever it got in the way of his appeasement of the security
state, of a President who was ready to cut social security benefits, and who
made unacceptable bargains with Republicans before it was necessary to do so.
And he is the more Ppogressive of the two.
If I vote for Hillary, I'd be voting for someone whose Neo Liberal policies are
more warlike, who is even more comfortable with the elites, who will increase
the US appeasement of Israel, whose concern about African Americans is pure
fiction, and who uses her femaleness as a means to gain support from
femininsts. I can't, in good
consciience do it. No, I don't want Trump as President. But the fact that
Clinton uses whatever words , she thinks, will get votes from the Democratic
base, doesn't reassure me. I listened to Robert Sheer's discussion with Thomas
Frank this morning on an audio clip on Truthdig. Are you aware that Bill
Clinton was about to privatize social security? What stopped him? The Monica
Lewinsky scandal. These
Democrats, aside from social issues, LGBT rights, abortion rights, are not
anymore the party of the working people.
Miriam
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whether we might like it or not any vote that doesn't go to Hillary including
those on principle to minor candidates could very strongly result in the trump
presidency that no thinking person wants.
Chuck
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From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:21 AM
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Well, voting for Clinton means voting for more of what we have now which means
more wealth going to the 1%, more power for trans national corporations, larger
even less regulated banks, and an escalation of war.
Voting for trump may very well mean and out and out war at home on minorities
along with what I outlined above. One can't tell what Trump will actdually do
in terms of international policy because his statements are contradictory. I
caught a short interview with the author of a biography of Trump on NPR last
night. Briefly, he said Trump never reads books, does not focus on one subject
when you talk with him, but thinks just the way he sounds in his speeches, and
his basically and ego maniac, although he didn't use that term.
I can't
visualize myself voting for Hillary because I can't think of any positives in
her favor. But certainly, the prospect of a Trump Presidency
is unthinkable.
Miriam
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:27 AM
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As the World turns...so turn firm resolves.
Of course it's early yet, but winning the primary appears to be slipping from
the old, experienced hands of Senator Bernie Sanders.
To date I have held to my resolve to vote for Sanders, and then if he does not
win the Party nomination, to vote for Jill Stein, of the Green
Party.
But that was before the Republicans trotted out their Party's Best, the Clown
Crew.
And, as we all guffawed and chuckled over their noisy sideshow, an awful thing
happened. One of the clowns began to look like something out of the 1940's. A
full blown Fascist!
Ranting and raving and telling one big lie after another, Donald Trump rose
like the Phoenix, out of the ashes of the Third Reich.
Despite the Republican Party's denial that he has the popular Party support,
Trump stomps about, stirring up the rank and file, and winning in state after
state.
We now are upon the brink of National disaster. One direction leads to a
Fascist State, and the other leads to a Corporate State. And we have only
ourselves to blame.
If the choice comes down to Clinton or Trump, or even Clinton or Cruz, we will
need to decide if we hold to our original plan to support Stein, or to "throw
away" our vote in an effort to block the takeover of our emerging Corporate
State by the Fascist State. What a choice!
Just a fair warning that I am not ruling out a vote for Hillary Clinton.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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