Yup, I sure have had that empty file problem. It doesn't always happen, though. I know the file isn't really empty. It's just that the braille note has gotten confused and can't open it correctly. Just as a clarification, when Shelley converts the file to keyword and then back to RTF I'm sure it is staying a text only file. It just is going from rich text format to the braille note's own kind of text file, and then back. Sarah Van Oosterwijck http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005