[bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:30:03 -0500
Sarah,
According to Wikipedia, Windows has two characters sets that you can access
using the Alt Key. The older 437 character set is accessed by entering a
three digit number and the newer 1252 character set which was introduced
with Windows 3.0 is accessed by entering a four digit number.
Wikipedia also says that Windows 1252 is a superset of ISO-8859-1, and that
the characters in ISO-8859-1 are equivalent to the first 256 characters of
Unicode.
If you want to know more about the subject, You can read the following two
articles from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_ASCII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-1
The first article discusses the confusion with entering the same value as a
three digit number and a four digit number and by coincidence uses the value
151. ù is the value of 151 in the 437 character set, and ? is the value of
151 in the 1252 character set.
The second article contains tables of both ISO-8859-1 and Microsoft's 1252
character set. So, if you looked in the second article, you would see that
149 is the value of ?.
I discovered these articles while researching the infamous þ which pops up
in books every now and then.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sarah Van
Oosterwijck
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:17 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
I'm so sorry I didn't test entering the Em-dash before I wrote my last
message. I hate list clutter, so I shouldn't be the one causing it.
When I held down alt and entered the number 0151 in notepad my synth said
"em-dash U grave accent" and when I did the same in Kurzweil it said "long
dash" so I suspect we have yet another character. Just what we need. :-)
Do I understand correctly that the 0 in front of the character number means
it is an ANSI character value instead of an ASCII character value? I only
used ASCII values for accented characters before, so 4 digit numbers are
new to me. If I am not mathmatically impared this morning those numbers
aren't big enough for unicode.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
> Scott,
>
> The character set that Windows uses has three characters for single quote
> and three for double quote. What you are probably seeing are the open
> and
> close single quotes and the open and close double quotes which are
> characters 145, 146, 147, and 148, respectively. There is also a generic
> double quote and generic single quote which are characters 34 and 39,
> respectively.
>
> Visually, I think the only difference is the way the quotes are slanted.
> It's not easy, though, for OCR software to catch the slight difference in
> the quotes and recognize them correctly. For one thing, a slight skewing
> of
> the page could possibly cause the OCR software to recognize the wrong
> quote.
>
> You can determine which character is at the cursor by hitting the 5 on
> the
> NumPad three times quickly. As you know, the 5 is the key which JAWS
> uses
> to read the current character. If you hit it twice quickly, JAWS will
> speak
> the letter phonetically, but hit it three times quickly, and JAWS will
> speak
> the value of the character.
>
> I checked the quotes in the book I'm working on, and Fine Reader had not
> only ended two quotations with a closing quote, but had begun them with
> the
> closing quote as well. I tried typing a double quote from the keyboard
> to
> see what I got, and Word first entered an opening quote, then when I
> typed
> it again, Word entered a closing quote. So you possibly have four
> different
> programs trying to determine which quote to use: first, Fine Reader (or
> another OCR program), second, OpenBook (or Kurzweil), third, Word (or
> another word processor), and finally, the Braille translation program.
>
> What you may want to try, and I believe what was suggested, is to replace
> the opening and closing quotes with the generic quote. You can specify
> which quote to use in the Search and Replace by turning on NumLock and
> typing a four digit value using the NumPad while holding down the Alt
> key.
> The value is a 0 followed by the value of the quote you want, 034, 147,
> or
> 148 for double quote and 39, 145, or 146 for single quote. So you'll
> need
> to enter 0034, 0147, etc. Don't forget to turn NumLock back off, though,
> before trying to use JAWS again, or you will start entering numbers into
> your document. I hate it when that happens. <Smile> I haven't used this
> trick for quotes before, but I use it now and then to enter an - (m
> dash),
> which is 151.
>
> You also asked whether or not converting to RTF will automatically
> correct
> the quotes. No, since the opening and closing versions of the quotes are
> valid characters for the RTF file format. BTW, the file I was looking at
> in
> Word with the problem with the quotes was an RTF file.
>
> HTH
>
> Gerald
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott Blanks
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] openbook clarification
>
>
> I'd like to know, if someone can describe, what openbook puts into
> documents
> in place of quotes and apostrophes?
>
> Also, and I apologize if I seem dense, but is my understanding accurate
> that
> these out-of-place characters remain in the document when converted to
> rtf
> from Openbook's .ark format? In other words, visually the odd characters
> are
> still present? They haven't changed back to regular quotes and
> apostrophes?
> I am in the same boat as other blind users in that, and this has been
> mentioned before, the signs seem correct according to my screen reader.
>
> Thanks, and I hope my questions made some sense,
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
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