[bksvol-discuss] Re: "not quite ready for prime time list"

Maybe more people would do text books if they were identified as sutch. Would they get more attention if we had a text book category?

Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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That's another angle I hadn't thought of, so thanks for pointing that out. Adding more complexity is something to be avoided. I am recalling the recent thread on protecting chapter headers. Even some old hands had apparently forgotten how it is supposed to be done. New validators already have enough to learn. Increasing the number of validators will ultimately do more to grow the collection faster, including getting hard books such as textbooks into the collection, than adding more complexity to the process.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
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Well, I am going to say two more things on this subject, probably both
of which I shouldn't. First of all, I think that at this point those
of us who are needing textbooks are aware that we will spend some wait
time on them.

Second, I think it is a wonderful thing to validate; but I think you
have to set priorities and do the best you can and not worry about the
rest. That's not to say don't do a good job or the best you can, but
if you can't get them all done when you need to, you can't. I scan
textbooks and, though I've not submitted any, I treat them as if I am
going to submit them and probably will one day. It is much harder to
do books that are not interesting to you, but you elect to do that.
You take pride in your work; and I know that your pride shines through
when people read your work. However, it doesn't take that long to go
to the site and renew a book that you can't finish--less time than it
takes to download for pleasure. Please don't try to create more and
more rules, more and more lists. You have people signing on as
volunteers all the time. You add volume to what has to be learned
already, and you will have people overwhelmed by what they see and
they won't bother to sign up. If you want validation to be an
exclusive club, then this would be one way to make that happen.



Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:04 AM
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Below find another response to the validating of textbooks
issue.  Evan do you validate text books?

E.


At 10:55 PM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
I don't think five books is an onerous restriction. If a book needs
missing pages or whatever, there are four other books to work on.
That is plenty. It only takes a few seconds to renew a book.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] "not quite ready for prime time list"


I suggest that the list be used for only limited reasons.  Anyone
"kicking back" a book to the list must meet one of the criteria.

Criteria may include things like
getting missing pages from another volunteer
getting explanation of diagrams from another volunteer
working on charts in book and need a week's break

The list will allow people who have taken on several difficult
books to validate something short or easy or diverting and come back
refreshed.

The list will protect books which truly are being worked on.

Before the five book limit, the list was not necessary.

The five book limit has been great at curbing many situations and
streamlining validating in many ways.

The five book limit is a limit in a way which will be addressed by
the "not quite ready for prime time list".

Some of us are validating several large textbooks because the
submitters know we can fix dates by actually reading most of the
book.

Date fixing includes
13 22 equals 1322
153O equals 1530
and others.  I have worked out all kinds of find searches for dates
but still it means reading much of a book.
I know a solution is to take on less.  I am suggesting the list as
another alternative.

The act of validating is easy enough and I can do it reading
something short for leisure.  It is making sure my books can stay
mine while I take a break which concerns me.  The list is just a
way of perhaps helping burn out among validators.


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