[bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:55:46 -0700
I apparently automatically assumed that there would be the same number of
titles in both. I just figured that if the same problem was causing both to
have multiple titles, then the number would be the same. I'm still not sure
why that wouldn't be the case, unless it's a different bug in each instance?
But you're right that it isn't a big deal, especially not compared to some
other things which have been talked about on these lists. And no, it doesn't
happen anywhere except at the top of the file.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Hey, there's no reason why the HTML file can't have a different number than
the BRF file. The important thing is that the HTML files seem to be
consistent, and from what you're saying, the BRF files are consistent, too.
I sent Bookshare a message about the problem and copied Pratik since he's
looking into the BRF issue. I wouldn't expect to see anything done about it
any time soon, though, because it's not really hurting anything, unless you
guys are saying that it's happening in multiple places in the BRF files. From
what you've said, though, my understanding is that it's only happening at the
top of the BRF files, and who among us doesn't skip down to the beginning of
the prologue or chapter one when they begin reading?
BTW, Pratik says he's still looking into the BRF issue to make sure we've got
a similar problem as to what I'm seeing in the HTML files.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:51 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
But only four? I'm quite sure there are six in the .brf file, I did not
miscount.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Interesting. I checked the HTML file, and it has multiple titles at the
top of it as well. It has the title, followed by the author and title,
followed by the title twice. Looks like Bookshare has a problem with the tool
which adds the legal notice at the top of the books.
Pratik and I'll check into it.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:07 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
The version of "Knife of Dreams" has six titles at the top. First there's
the centered title, then the author's name, then five more titles, some
centered, some just indented two spaces in the brf file I have. They appear to
alternate between being centered and indented two spaces, but there are six of
them, then one more after the legal boilerplate.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Jill,
No, I don't. That's the first I've heard about the problem. Would you
mind sending me a few names of some books which have the problem so I can ask
about it?
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:38 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Gerald, to you happen to know why we are seeing the book title five or
six times in a row in the newer books; at least this is the case in braille.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Monica,
Whoever designed the Stripper seems to have taken the title page into
consideration. I wouldn't worry about this page. The only pages at the
beginning of the book where it might be necessary to worry about something
getting stripped would be the headings on the pages of the Table of Contents
and the Acknowledgements. I've been treating these headings like chapter
headings and protecting them.
As for the roman numeral pages at the beginning of books, I'd treat
them the same as the headers and page numbers in the rest of the book. The
Stripper seems to have been designed to handle roman numerals as page numbers.
At least I haven't noticed any difference in how the Stripper treats them. The
evidence that the Stripper seems to understand them is that it's not adding
page numbers to these pages in the HTML files. I've recently noticed that the
Stripper seems to have a problem with blank pages where a page number has been
added, making the page number the only thing on the page. I've spotted two
page numbers on these pages in the HTML files, indicating that the Stripper
didn't recognize the page number and didn't strip it. The Stripper appears to
be storing a page number in the SMIL file based on what it expected to find but
didn't, and then adding that guess back to that page when the HTML file is
created resulting in two page numbers for the page. As I said, I haven't
noticed a second set of page numbers on the pages with roman numerals, so the
Stripper appears to understand that they are page numbers and treats them
accordingly. However, I haven't been looking that close at them, though,
because I don't recall having worked on a book which had them. My advice would
be to treat them as if they were arabic page numbers, then download the book
once it makes it into the collection and see what happened. I'll try to pay
closer attention when I validate a book with roman numerals to see exactly what
is happening.
HTH
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Cortada
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:26 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Stripper and Preliminary Pages
What would be the ideal treatment of the first few pages of a book like
the title page? Should a placeholder header be put here for the stripper to
strip?
Also, what should be done with the roman numeral page numbers at the
beginning of a book?
Sorry to have so many questions and thanks for your patience.
Monica in Maryland
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