Y Yes, I did find the delete button and pressed enter on it, and then went to OK. But it still seemed like my arrow key skipped a space. I mean, I put it to the right of the elipsis and it went to the first space on the lelft, so it skipped over two spaces. So I take it that isn’t right. The trouble is that you do move the cursor after highlighting it, so you can find the delete button. So I must not be doing it exactly right. I did look at the instructions. Sue From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:44 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue, What you typed here is what you want. But, if you didn't type it in word and then copy , and then paste here, this is not a guarantee that you're fixed. You couldn't find the delete button using your Jaws cursor in the dialogue? That is really what you want. Should I send the modified instructions for you again for making the fix? My fix did stick this time, so I know the instructions Jon created last night work. Mayrie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:00 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Yes, you got it and I found it, but the delete didn’t work. My arrow key still lands on the third period. Let me type one so you can check it. Here goes: ... Thanks, Sue From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:59 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue! Oh, I think I get you now! You want to know what that ellipsis string looks like when you're in the list of choices in the AutoFormat dialogue? Is that right? If it is, you're looking for something that in braille looks like three question marks (braille question marks) without spaces between them! Is that what you mean? I hope so! If not, just keep asking, we'll get you what you need to know! You are so so determined! I totally admire that in you! Mayrie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 6:54 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Mayrie, Oh!!!@ I finally get it! When I press an arrow key, by cursor bypasses one and two and lands on three. But my problem with that fix is that I am unable to find what you people are calling the elipsis string. What does it look like? Would it have some extra symbols or letters in it? I need to know how it looks in Braille. Thanks, Sue From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:30 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue, Yes, you are correct, Jaws translates both renditions of the ellipsis exactly the same and using braille, you see the same thing. That's why I suggested using your arrow keys to verify which thing you're seeing, because the evil single-character ellipsis, which we don't want, only takes one press of the left or right arrow to pass beyond, but three periods typed take three presses of the arrow key to pass through. Am I still botching what you want to know? If I am, just keep asking and I'll some day understand what you mean. As long as we don't give up, we'll get this figured out. And, if you can't find the delete button when trying to follow Judy's instructions, try the instructions I attached to the note I sent last night. They tell you (accurately this time) how to achieve what Judy's instructions tell you to do using both the Jaws and PC cursors to make the delete button visible to you, because it isn't without turning on the Jaws cursor, or at least it wasn't for us here. I need coffee! Mayrie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. (smile) No, I am not ready to throttle you, but you may be ready to throttle me when I explain what you tried to explain. Okay. Three periods. I get it. But with Grade II turned on in Jaws, I see three dots, like I should for an elipsis. That is, three dots in a row, not three Braille periods in a row. It is dot 3. So even if I see these three dots, rather than a single space character which looks like a computer open parenthesis or of sign with an extra little dot, I cannot be sure the Bookshare translator will handle it correctly? Jaws translates it correctly on my computer. That is what I was trying to say. (smile) Now I will look at Judy’s instructions. Thanks, Sue S. From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:41 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I think I do, but just in case, I'll reiterate. Before I do, if you did the fix, you are not fine. I'll attach proper instructions for getting rid of the evil single-character ellipsis again. We thought the directions I wrote earlier worked, and they did, until we reopened word. The current instructions do work, and do stick. I have checked many times now! Have I said lately that I HATE Word!!!!!? Now, to your request for clarification. Essentially, in braille, with grade 2 translation enabled, the single-character ellipsis, which Bookshare's translation tools can't handle, and three periods typed without spaces between them, which said tools can translate properly, appear the same in braille. So, what I'm saying is that using only braille, it's difficult to know which representation of the ellipsis you're seeing. Now that I've deleted the stupid stupid single-character ellipsis, I can't check this, but it should, that evil character that is, take up only one space, so right or left arrowing over it should only take up one space. The proper three periods take three right or left arrow presses to pass through the ellipsis. Am I being unclear again? I'm really sorry that we didn't have the proper fix the first time I gave instructions! We really thought they worked. We know these work! And they are, Judy's instructions, but with added instructions for how to accomplish the task using Jaws. We needed to give more elaborate instructions because the dang delete button in the dialogue doesn't appear without fiddling to find it. Please try what I'm attaching this time, and delete the old instructions if you saved them somewhere! This file has the same name, by the way as the first document that I sent, so if you save in the same place, your computer will ask you if you want to replace the existing document bearing the same name, you can happily tell it "yes"! Again, I'm really sorry we didn't properly verify that our instructions worked before. We didn't know we needed to! Now we know better. And Jon still saved the day! Because, I'm not nearly geeky enough to have figured this out on my own. Okay, finally, I'm shutting up again! Do you really, really want to throttle me now? Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:21 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Mayrie, Okay, I did Jon's fix, so hopefully I am now okay. You are saying that even if one has Grade II on when working in Word, and if the elipses look like three dots, the Bookshare translator will still interpret it wrong unless you fix it? Is that right? I hate to say this but it is only since the new site went up a couple of years or so ago that this has happened. So I am really happy to know I can fix it. Sue S. -----Original Message----- From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:40 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue, On my braille display, the ellipses character and the three periods show up looking like the same thing. It's only when the rtf files go through Bookshare's tools that makes a problem with the ellipses character. The creation of the single-character ellipses is automatically on, so you probably need to change it. I would assume that turning off AutoFormatting altogether would fix the problem. Though I don't know if other things would become problems. I don't even know if one can turn off all of that stuff. Novel idea! Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:51 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Well, how about just turning off autoformat? Would that do it? Mine looks okay, but I haven't done anything to it so it must be set okay. Sue S. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Lumpkin Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:53 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Wow, I went into autoformat as you suggested and unfortunately, I can not find what you were talking about anywhere. Has anyone else done this replacement Mayrie is talking about? Thanks in advance. Susan -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:46 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Lori and everyone, Okay, I'm going to give admittedly terrible instructions here. Because I have such a crummy memory that I can't remember what I just did! I went into the AutoFormat tab, and somewhere in a list found where Word says "dot dot dot". It's showing three periods and automatically replacing them with that evil ellipses character. But right next to that character is an edit box where you can replace with something. If you type three periods in there, essentially telling Word to replace three periods with three periods, you won't ever have to fix that evil character unless it appears in your document before you ever type in the document. But anyway, if you type three periods they'll stay there. I'm really, really sorry. These are probably the worst instructions I've ever given in my life. I hope someone else can give better instructions than this. And if the ellipses character appears as a part of an rtf document which came to you uncorrected, I guess you'll still have to use find and replace to fix them. How did I get myself in this mess? Mayrie To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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