[bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing with Openbook wasPage numbering
- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:36:25 -0500
Hi Debby!
The only redeeming feature of OB8, in my opinion, is that my scans need less
clean-up than they did with prior versions of OB. *smile*
By the way, I think FS is going to be coming out with OB9 sometime next
year. Maybe they will have fixed the "loss of documents" problem. At least
one can hope.
Blessings.
Lynnsky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing with Openbook wasPage numbering
Hi Lynn!
A while back, my husband was suggesting that I upgrade OB, but I kept
putting it off, and now, reading about these lockup problems with it, I am
glad I'm sticking with version 7. I have not lost a book with 7. It's
good you have Word protecting your scan so you can proof it and not lose it.
Debby
At 01:50 PM 10/28/2009, Lynn I wrote
>Hi Debby!
>
>I've found that OB8 often will lock up and I lose the text I have scanned.
>To prevent this, I copy each scanned page to the clipboard, as I scan it,
>then paste it into an rtf file. I proof my scans as I go.
>
>Just another way of doing things, although it's not very efficient, I feel
>it's beneficial to me in the long run because I do not have to rescan a
>book because of a problem with OpenBook. *smile*
>
>Blessings.
>
>Lynn I
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:deniset@xxxxxxx>Denise Thompson
>>To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:38 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing with Openbook wasPage numbering
>>
>>Debby
>>
>>I use OB 8 for scanninbg. However I open Word inside OB and scan directly
>>into word. That way I can proof as I go. I have tried everything under
>>the sun, but you can't set OB up in any way to proof at the level needed
>>for scanning books. There is no way in OB itself to show the mark up like
>>paragraphs, lines, etc. So I do as I said above. It works very well for
>>me. I have set up a specific proof reading speec theme that I switch to
>>in word when I'm scanning and proofing. I use Jaws and do this through
>>the congiguration manager. Happy scanning.
>>
>>Denise
>>
>>
>>At 05:57 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
>>>Dear Debby,
>>>
>>>First of all, welcome to the list.
>>>
>>>Secondly, I am an openbook user and am using 7.01. My husband, Mike,
>>>and I purchased 8.0, but I had several crashes with that version, losing
>>>complete books I had scanned and saved, so I do not trust that
>>>version. Several on list do use 8.0 with success.
>>>
>>>However, when we joined the list, Mike and I proofed books with
>>>openbook; at that time .ark files were accepted by bookshare.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, I was never successful at editing the .rtf files with
>>>openbook; I'm not sure why.
>>>
>>>So I switched to editing with ms Word 2003. I have really enjoyed
>>>editing with that program. I had to learn a lot of new commands, but I
>>>can now use Word very effectively and can use that skill for other
>>>functions outside of bookshare. I think I use Word at a high
>>>intermediate level, so like others on the list can help with specific
>>>questions.
>>>
>>>I learned much of what I now know about editing with Word from this list
>>>but also from a book I purchased from National Braille Press "Word Wise
>>>xp/2002".
>>>
>>>I'm not sure if I am answering your question or just reminiscing.
>>>
>>>As there are two Lori's on this list I sign my emails Lori C. I used to
>>>be Cat Lover Lori, but Lori C. works.
>>>
>>>Lori C.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:16 PM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbering
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Bob!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your helpful advice.
>>>>
>>>>Since you are using Kurzweil 2000 and I have OpenBook 7.1, I'm
>>>>wondering if most people who have this kind of scanning/OCR software
>>>>prefer to proofread using MS Word or his or her access technology?
>>>>
>>>>The book I am proofreading just has the title of each chapter in the
>>>>table of contents. I'll keep your suggestion in mind for the more
>>>>detailed tables of contents I might come across in the future.
>>>>
>>>>Debby
>>>>
>>>>At 11:34 PM 10/26/2009, Bob wrote
>>>>>Hi Debbie.
>>>>>Determining the number of pages in a book can be tricky.
>>>>>
>>>>>I use Kurzweil 1000 for proof reading and kurzy allows you to assign
>>>>>an operator defined page to the first actual page. This helps
>>>>>immensely if there are page numbers. You can go to the back of the
>>>>>book and see if the page number there matches what Kurzy thinks is the
>>>>>final page. If so, you're in luck. Iff not, then you find the first
>>>>>place where a mismatch occurs, and determine whether or not it is a
>>>>>missing page, two pages scanned as one, or just a missing page number.
>>>>>
>>>>>Another way to approach it is, if there is a table of contents giving
>>>>>chapter headings and page numbers, you just get them to match.
>>>>>
>>>>>These are merely suggestions to help you on your way to great proofing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of
>>>>>us will live on in the future we make,"
>>>>>Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae"
>>>>><mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:14 PM
>>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbering
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Debby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This isn't the case by any means with all books, but it has been my
>>>>>>experience that, many times, when two pages appear to be blank at the
>>>>>>beginning of a book, one, in fact contains the title of the book in a
>>>>>>funky
>>>>>>font that OCR couldn't figure out what to do with, and the other is
>>>>>>empty.
>>>>>>So, when I think this might be the case, (just by gut instinct, or by
>>>>>>asking
>>>>>>a sighted person with access to a hard copy of the book) I will put
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>title of the book on the first of the blank pages and the statement
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>this: [This page Contains No Text.] on the second blank page. And I
>>>>>>number
>>>>>>with lower case Roman numerals all preliminary pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just what I do. In case it comforts, or enlightens in some way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Happy proofreading!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mayrie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
>>>>>>Franson
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:19 PM
>>>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Cindy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, I don't have a copy of the book and was unfamiliar with it until I
>>>>>>downloaded it. On the book description, it said it was Submitted By:
>>>>>>Sharon Hughey, so, maybe if you are on the list, Sharon, you could let
>>>>>>me
>>>>>>know if there are to pages missing along in the book. I have put
>>>>>>notes to
>>>>>>myself where I think they are, which, of course I will remove before
>>>>>>I check
>>>>>>in the book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Debby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 02:06 AM 10/26/2009, Cindy wrote
>>>>>>>Debby, are you sighted or blind? Do you have the print book to work
>>>>>>>from and perhaps a sighted friend or partner who can look at the book
>>>>>>>and tell you about the preliminary pages and where the numbering
>>>>>>>starts? If not, there are many of us who fortunately are sighted and
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>we can get the same edition of the book that uou're proofing will be
>>>>>>>happy
>>>>>>to hslpe you out.
>>>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
>>>>>>>books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Books Being Scanned List:
>>>>>>>https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--- On Sun, 10/25/09, Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbering
>>>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 9:50 PM Hi Lori, Cindy and
>>>>>>> > everyone!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I just started proofreading a book for the first time today as I
>>>>>>> > just signed up for volunteering yesterday.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It seems like a bit of guess work in determining where a page is
>>>>>>> > exactly before the page numbering in the book starts. Do I just
>>>>>>> > make my best guess? Also, when I loaded the book into word, I
>>>>>>> > discovered there were a few more pages than what is the number of
>>>>>>> > pages in the book information page. If the number doesn't come
>>>>>>> > out
>>>>>>> > to be exactly the same as what is given in the book information
>>>>>>> > page
>>>>>>> > in the end, will the book be rejected?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm proofreading "Love on Its Knees" by Dick Eastman, and
>>>>>>> > thoroughly
>>>>>>> > enjoying reading as I proofread.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Debby
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > At 05:53 AM 10/25/2009, Lori wrote
>>>>>>> > >That's it exactly. I get so caught up reading I lose
>>>>>>> > track of numbering
>>>>>>> > >and then have to go back and look at the last number,
>>>>>>> > etc.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >Lori
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy"
>>>>>>> > ><popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 PM
>>>>>>> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbering
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>I don't know of any way. Someone once said Word had
>>>>>>> > a way to put the page
>>>>>>> > >>numbers in automatically. Either I tried it once
>>>>>>> > and it didn't work or I
>>>>>>> > >>didn't try it.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>I do what you do. The only problem with that is
>>>>>>> > that at times I got so
>>>>>>> > >>involved with the story that I either numbered the
>>>>>>> > same page twice or
>>>>>>> > >>misnumbered, or forgot to put in a number. I found
>>>>>>> > out because after I
>>>>>>> > >>finish proofing a book by reading I do a final
>>>>>>> > spell-check and then a
>>>>>>> > >>final page numbering check, by hitting the page up
>>>>>>> > and down arrows.
>>>>>>> > >>Cindy
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the
>>>>>>> > collection) and
>>>>>>> > >>books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>Wish List:
>>>>>>> > >> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>Books Being Scanned List:
>>>>>>> > >> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Lori <lori@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>From: Lori <lori@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page numbering
>>>>>>> > >>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > >>>Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 2:43 PM Hi all,
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>At this point I have been adding in page
>>>>>>> > numbers by hand
>>>>>>> > >>>making sure to have a blink line above and
>>>>>>> > below. I'm
>>>>>>> > >>>currently working on Douglas Winter's "Clive
>>>>>>> > Barker: Dark
>>>>>>> > >>>and Fantastic" which is over 600 pages. I'm
>>>>>>> > reading through
>>>>>>> > >>>it so can add missing numbers by hand, but
>>>>>>> > wanted to ask if
>>>>>>> > >>>there is another method that I am not aware of
>>>>>>> > besides
>>>>>>> > >>>manually adding them.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Thanks for help in advance.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Lori
>>>>>>> > >>>
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