[bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:00:25 -0800 (PST)
I didn't realize until I re-read Lissi's post after
reading Amy's answer that putting a hard return at the
end of a paragraph causes the next paragraph to have a
line space before it. When I validate I have the
margin for first line indented two spaces. Am I to
understand that that is unnecessary, and that when I
validate and find line spaces between paragraphs I
should leave them alone? I'm pretty sure that a long
time ago more people said they actually preferred
indented paragraphs to line spaces between
paragraphs--and sometimes when there's a lot of
dialogue on the page, skipping a line between lines
and paragraphs causes the page to be longer than in
the book.
I've been doing this, as Shelley said, almost from the
beginning---for four years, anyway--and now I'm
finding out that I've been doing it all wrong? Or has
something changed in the process of upgrading?
Cindy
--- Amy Goldring
Tajalli<agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Lissi,
>
> I wish Cindy and I knew what you did when we tried
> to show the indentations in the poetry of Kipling.
> We tried everything - I say we but Cindy did most of
> the work - to get the indentations including
> changing the margin for virtually every line which
> we wanted to indent. And I do mean Everything: One
> space . two or three or more spaces, tabs, If you
> find an answer please let me know but I cannot
> imagine you will have any more luck than we did and
> I there
>
> Now we learn that that is why everything ended up
> double-space instead of with the indentations
> Kipling used in his work which were extensive and
> meaningfull. If you download the Kipling and compare
> it to the book (paper or hardback) you will know
> what to expect and I am sorry I could not have been
> forewarned or warned you in advance. This is all the
> more reason for a change in the Bookshare program.
>
> Amy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:16 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation
>
>
> > Dear Cindy, Gerald, Jim, and Everyone,
> >
> > I keep worrying that indentation bone, too.
> >
> > I understand that the tools ignore multiple spaces
> and tabs, but wonder if
> > they'd put in a single space at the beginning of a
> line after a hard return.
> >
> > For example, in a poem where every other line was
> indented we know it will
> > be double spaced because we have to use a hard
> return so lines end where
> > they are supposed to. Then, would every other line
> be a tiny bit indented if
> > it was started with a space?
> >
> > If we're not sure about this, I can test it out on
> the next really short
> > children's book I get so the experiment can be
> quickly done and quickly
> > checked.
> >
> > Today I uploaded A New History of Wales. It's
> extremely informative, but I
> > confess it's also pretty dry unless you are really
> interested in 250 pages
> > of names and dates chronicling 2500 years of
> pivotal historic episodes.
> >
> > The Book of Lost Tales, my masterwork to date, is
> almost ready, but I may be
> > changing the 3 space indents to one space indents
> depending on the answers I
> > get to this message.
> >
> > Before Saint Patrick's Day I'll also be uploading
> Emerald Magic, a terrific
> > collection of new Irish Fantasy stories for adults
> by various authors
> > including some you'll recognize like Charles De
> Lint, Andrew Greeley and
> > Tanith Lee.
> >
> > What are all of you up to? It's fun hearing what's
> in the pipe lines.
> >
> > Always with love,
> >
> > Lissi
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:31 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving
> Indentation
> >
> >
> >> This has also been a problem with poetry. I
> learned
> >> recently about the tabs and spaces being
> eliminated,
> >> but I thought if I changed margin settings the
> >> indentations for certain verses would be
> retained. Now
> >> I find out that that isn't the case--and all
> these
> >> years I've been indenting paragraphs, which
> people
> >> said they preferred to skipping lines between
> them,
> >> and indenting quotations and such, e.g.,
> >> correspondence and newspaper articles, etc., in
> books
> >> when they appear that way in the print book, and
> just
> >> *very* recently I find out that those aren't
> retained
> >> either?
> >>
> >> Maybe when they get some more engineers something
> can
> >> be done. Really, all that would have to happen is
> that
> >> tabs be retained. Then indentation of every tupe
> would
> >> be easy.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> --- Gerald Hovas <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jim,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, but Bookshare's books don't preserve
> >>> indentation. That's probably
> >>> because they're based on XML, which, like HTML,
> is
> >>> designed to specify
> >>> structure, not formatting. Whatever the reason,
> >>> tabs are essentially
> >>> stripped and multiple spaces are treated as a
> single
> >>> space.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>> Gerald
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:59 AM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Preserving Indentation
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I just downloaded for validation "Beginning
> Python,"
> >>> a programming book.
> >>> Preserving indentation is essential to that
> >>> language. Is there a way for
> >>> indentation to be preserved in the approval
> process,
> >>> or am I wasting my
> >>> time making sure all the code in the book at
> least
> >>> compiles only to have it
> >>> ruined?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> James D Homme,
> >>> Usability Engineering
> >>> Highmark Inc.
> >>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> 412-544-8177
> >>>
> >>> "If you think you can, or if you think you
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