I didn't realize until I re-read Lissi's post after reading Amy's answer that putting a hard return at the end of a paragraph causes the next paragraph to have a line space before it. When I validate I have the margin for first line indented two spaces. Am I to understand that that is unnecessary, and that when I validate and find line spaces between paragraphs I should leave them alone? I'm pretty sure that a long time ago more people said they actually preferred indented paragraphs to line spaces between paragraphs--and sometimes when there's a lot of dialogue on the page, skipping a line between lines and paragraphs causes the page to be longer than in the book. I've been doing this, as Shelley said, almost from the beginning---for four years, anyway--and now I'm finding out that I've been doing it all wrong? Or has something changed in the process of upgrading? Cindy --- Amy Goldring Tajalli<agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Lissi, > > I wish Cindy and I knew what you did when we tried > to show the indentations in the poetry of Kipling. > We tried everything - I say we but Cindy did most of > the work - to get the indentations including > changing the margin for virtually every line which > we wanted to indent. And I do mean Everything: One > space . two or three or more spaces, tabs, If you > find an answer please let me know but I cannot > imagine you will have any more luck than we did and > I there > > Now we learn that that is why everything ended up > double-space instead of with the indentations > Kipling used in his work which were extensive and > meaningfull. If you download the Kipling and compare > it to the book (paper or hardback) you will know > what to expect and I am sorry I could not have been > forewarned or warned you in advance. This is all the > more reason for a change in the Bookshare program. > > Amy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:16 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation > > > > Dear Cindy, Gerald, Jim, and Everyone, > > > > I keep worrying that indentation bone, too. > > > > I understand that the tools ignore multiple spaces > and tabs, but wonder if > > they'd put in a single space at the beginning of a > line after a hard return. > > > > For example, in a poem where every other line was > indented we know it will > > be double spaced because we have to use a hard > return so lines end where > > they are supposed to. Then, would every other line > be a tiny bit indented if > > it was started with a space? > > > > If we're not sure about this, I can test it out on > the next really short > > children's book I get so the experiment can be > quickly done and quickly > > checked. > > > > Today I uploaded A New History of Wales. It's > extremely informative, but I > > confess it's also pretty dry unless you are really > interested in 250 pages > > of names and dates chronicling 2500 years of > pivotal historic episodes. > > > > The Book of Lost Tales, my masterwork to date, is > almost ready, but I may be > > changing the 3 space indents to one space indents > depending on the answers I > > get to this message. > > > > Before Saint Patrick's Day I'll also be uploading > Emerald Magic, a terrific > > collection of new Irish Fantasy stories for adults > by various authors > > including some you'll recognize like Charles De > Lint, Andrew Greeley and > > Tanith Lee. > > > > What are all of you up to? It's fun hearing what's > in the pipe lines. > > > > Always with love, > > > > Lissi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:31 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving > Indentation > > > > > >> This has also been a problem with poetry. I > learned > >> recently about the tabs and spaces being > eliminated, > >> but I thought if I changed margin settings the > >> indentations for certain verses would be > retained. Now > >> I find out that that isn't the case--and all > these > >> years I've been indenting paragraphs, which > people > >> said they preferred to skipping lines between > them, > >> and indenting quotations and such, e.g., > >> correspondence and newspaper articles, etc., in > books > >> when they appear that way in the print book, and > just > >> *very* recently I find out that those aren't > retained > >> either? > >> > >> Maybe when they get some more engineers something > can > >> be done. Really, all that would have to happen is > that > >> tabs be retained. Then indentation of every tupe > would > >> be easy. > >> > >> Cindy > >> > >> --- Gerald Hovas <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>> Jim, > >>> > >>> Sorry, but Bookshare's books don't preserve > >>> indentation. That's probably > >>> because they're based on XML, which, like HTML, > is > >>> designed to specify > >>> structure, not formatting. Whatever the reason, > >>> tabs are essentially > >>> stripped and multiple spaces are treated as a > single > >>> space. > >>> > >>> HTH > >>> > >>> Gerald > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >>> Behalf Of > >>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:59 AM > >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Preserving Indentation > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I just downloaded for validation "Beginning > Python," > >>> a programming book. > >>> Preserving indentation is essential to that > >>> language. Is there a way for > >>> indentation to be preserved in the approval > process, > >>> or am I wasting my > >>> time making sure all the code in the book at > least > >>> compiles only to have it > >>> ruined? > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> > >>> James D Homme, > >>> Usability Engineering > >>> Highmark Inc. > >>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> 412-544-8177 > >>> > >>> "If you think you can, or if you think you > can't, > >>> you are right." > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to > >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject > >>> line. To get a list of > >>> available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in > >>> the subject line. > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to > >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject > >>> line. 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