[bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
- From: Cindy Rosenthal <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks, Mayrie.
I'll reply offlist. smile
Cindy
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--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:21 AM
> Hi Cindy,
>
> Setting indentations doesn't stick. People choose
> within their
> daisy readers whether they want indentations at the
> beginning of paragraphs,
> or a double line space. All lines following a hard return
> are indented in
> braille. Putting The first word of each indented line in
> all caps would
> work, but only if no other words are in all caps for any
> other reason at the
> beginning of lines.
>
> I do admit that seeing the dashes might be annoying, but I
> don't
> know of another solution for this problem. In braille they
> can easily be
> skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is spoken
> can eliminate
> having to hear them, and the reader can search for them
> when he/she so
> chooses.
>
> Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in many
> cases is
> limited to forty characters. For this reason, I'd
> change my previous
> recommendation that all indented lines be preceded by
> dashes equal to the
> number of spaces the lines are indented. I think this
> would be a good idea
> if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword that you
> mentioned, so
> that the shape is maintained. However, in the books that
> I've looked at,
> sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in just
> that blocks, or as
> single lines. In those cases, I think the amount of
> indentation isn't as
> important as the fact that the indentation exists. In such
> cases, I'd think
> that preceding these lines as a matter of course with
> (perhaps) four dashes
> would be sufficient.
>
> I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you are
> willing to take on
> this book! I have wanted to read this author's work
> since I was first told
> about her, but am completely unwilling to read them in any
> form that
> sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's important! I
> have tried many
> options for scanning and recognition myself, but
> discovered, sadly, that I
> can't do this work justice without the help of a
> sighted person.And, if,
> after you finish this one, and you aren't either ready
> to tear your hair
> out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have four
> other books by this
> author that I'd love to see made a part of the
> Bookshare collection and
> would be THRILLED to scan!
>
> I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive work!
> And I, for
> one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what is
> necessary to preserve
> the form of the poetry!
>
> If you have any other questions, please, feel free to
> contact me
> either off or on the list and I'll either clarify
> anything I've made a hash
> of in this note, or help you brainstorm other solutions
> that will preserve
> the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you have to
> do, while still
> preserving the poetry's form.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Cindy Rosenthal
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>
> Thanks, Mayrie.
>
> I must admit that I don't understand why setting the
> margins doesn't work.
> Making first lines indented works, or doesn't it?
>
> I did plan to use the hard return at the end of lines and
> asterisks between
> the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins
> initially, or first lines
> indented at 5 and then the words that are at the left-hand
> margin flush
> left. Or making the word that's at the left-hand margin
> Bold or caps and on
> a line by itself. If you think neither will work I'll
> use the dashes, but
> isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy be set to
> ignore them?
>
> Cindy
> >
> > Here is what I believe will work, and the only thing
> that
> > probably
> > will to preserve the placing of poetry on the page
> where
> > the author placed
> > it.
> >
> > To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on the
> blank
> > line.
> >
> > For a line that is not flush left, I'd place a
> dash to
> > fill up each
> > space on the line that is blank before the beginning
> of the
> > line. A hard
> > return at the end of every line will preserve the end
> of
> > the line. I would
> > use a dash for this and not an asterisk because an
> asterisk
> > in braille takes
> > up two spaces and that would throw off the simetry of
> the
> > poem. I suggest
> > dashes because we know they translate properly to both
> > daisy and brf files.
> >
> > I'm positive that my suggestion will work to
> preserve
> > the placement of text
> > on the page.
> >
> > Mayrie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > Cindy Rosenthal
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check something for
> me
> >
> > Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi).
> >
> > Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary by Jane
> Yolen
> > for me and look
> > at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is on the
> page? I
> > didn't know,
> > then, that line spaces were deleted, so all the verses
> of
> > all the poems are
> > no doubt run together, but I need to know if my
> resetting
> > margins so that
> > some poems are flush left and others, like Ant Song,
> are
> > placed in the
> > middle of the page.
> >
> > In a while I'll be validating Identical. I've
> > looked at the book, though I
> > won't be able to get to it until I do a couple of
> > others (Jill, there's no
> > hurry), and I have several ideas what to do, but one
> of
> > them involves
> > changing the margins for parts.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
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