Indeed Robert, I have to agree. It is definitely an experience thing. And even for low vision children those views on Television and else where, we really do have a visual society do add up. How many of your nieces and nephews, kids in the neighborhood or students recognize on a regular basis logos. These are two dementional imagines. The Golden arches, the Coke symbol the Pepsi logo, the Arbies hat, and the list goes on. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner