[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: obsolescence and planned obsolescence
- From: Cindy Rosenthal <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:51:29 -0800 (PST)
Good point. grin
Cindy
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: obsolescence and planned obsolescence
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:09 AM
> I will have to agree with you on this point. I am not sure,
> though,
> that planned obsolescence has the same meaning as
> obsolescence with a
> modifying adjective. Take a look at the fashion industry.
> There is no
> reason why this year's fashions are any better than
> last year's
> fashions except for the people who make money from selling
> clothing.
> Also, I recently heard about one of the original light
> bulbs which is
> still shining brightly after well over a hundred years.
> Light bulb
> makers learned very quickly that in the interests of their
> long-term
> profits it would not be a good idea to make light bulbs
> that would
> last a very long time. I tend to think that the term
> planned
> obsolescence refers to a particular type of scam rather
> than to a
> particular type of obsolescence.
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Cindy Rosenthal
> <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Roger,
> >
> > I'll take issue with your definition of
> "obsolescence" meaning that something better
> replaces the obsolete item. smile--yes, in some cases;
> refrigerators are an improvement over ice boxes, though
> perhaps not as much fun for kids when the iceman came. But
> we just bought a new waffle iron and had to return it
> because the handle broke on first attempted use. And it was
> a Krupp! Expensive. Then we found the one my mother had,
> that grew up with, and after it was cleaned up, it's
> worked beautifully. Our refrigerator, which we've had
> for over 21 years, finally was wearing out, or so it told us
> when we returned from a brief trip (it was growling and
> making awful noises), so we ordered a new one. Fortunately,
> perhaps knowing that it was going to be replaced in two
> weeks and would have a well-earned rest, the old one
> continued working until the new one came--but I've read
> stories of the newer models breaking down.
> >
> > Perhaps it's because companies realized that if
> something is made to last, they can't make as much money
> as if things had to be replaced periodically--hence, the
> phrase "planned obsolescence," which we've
> experienced with toaster-ovens--I can't even remember
> how many we've had to replace in our 43 years of
> marriage--and microwave ovens.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Roger Loran Bailey
> <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Roger Loran Bailey
> <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Google
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:57 AM
> >> Actually, I would think that we should hope for
> the
> >> obsolescence of
> >> everything we use. Obsolescence means that
> something better
> >> has
> >> replaced it. Shouldn't we all be striving for
> a better
> >> way?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Tracy Carcione
> >> <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > Sue,
> >> > NLS and Bookshare would become obsolete if
> all print
> >> books were easily
> >> > accessible. Something I think is greatly to
> be
> >> desired, but not likely to
> >> > happen any time soon.
> >> > Though I do love hardcopy braille, and only
> NLS
> >> provides that on a lending
> >> > basis.
> >> > Tracy
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I cannot imagine why anyone would say
> they hope
> >> NLS and Bookshare will
> >> >> become obsolete.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sue S.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Monica Willyard"
> >> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:28 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Google
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think Bookshare will become
> obsolete
> >> in part because Google isn't
> >> >> scanning modern books of popular
> interest. Most of
> >> their books are older
> >> >> and/or more academic in scope. While
> we'd be
> >> able to read out of print
> >> >> books
> >> >> on Google, we'd still need Bookshare
> to read
> >> current bestsellers and other
> >> >> recent content, books written in the past
> 20 years
> >> or so. That could
> >> >> change,
> >> >> of course, but I doubt it would be within
> the next
> >> five years. With 35
> >> >> million books available in print right
> now, I
> >> think there is plenty of
> >> >> room
> >> >> for Bookshare. Finally, Bookshare's
> business
> >> model is different from how
> >> >> Google Books works, and I think the two
> can be
> >> compatible and will
> >> >> supplement each other over time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Monica Willyard
> >> >>
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