[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: obsolescence and planned obsolescence

  • From: "George Marshall" <marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:02:30 -0500

Cindy:
Your experience is about the same as ours, in all categories. My late aunt had an old 1938 GE refrigerator (with the motor on the top of the box( she used on the service porch, untill 4 or 5 years ago, still worked, could you imagine a refrigerator these days lasting almost 70 years. 
George R. Marshall
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Rosenthal" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: obsolescence and planned obsolescence



Roger,
I'll take issue with your definition of "obsolescence" meaning that something better replaces the obsolete item. smile--yes, in some cases; refrigerators are an improvement over ice boxes, though perhaps not as much fun for kids when the iceman came. But we just bought a new waffle iron and had to return it because the handle broke on first attempted use. And it was a Krupp! Expensive. Then we found the one my mother had, that grew up with, and after it was cleaned up, it's worked beautifully. Our refrigerator, which we've had for over 21 years, finally was wearing out, or so it told us when we returned from a brief trip (it was growling and making awful noises), so we ordered a new one. Fortunately, perhaps knowing that it was going to be replaced in two weeks and would have a well-earned rest, the old one continued working until the new one came--but I've read stories of the newer models breaking down.
Perhaps it's because companies realized that if something is made to last, they can't make as much money as if things had to be replaced periodically--hence, the phrase "planned obsolescence," which we've experienced with toaster-ovens--I can't even remember how many we've had to replace in our 43 years of marriage--and microwave ovens. 

Cindy



--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Google
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:57 AM
Actually, I would think that we should hope for the
obsolescence of
everything we use. Obsolescence means that something better
has
replaced it. Shouldn't we all be striving for a better
way?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Tracy Carcione
<carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sue,
> NLS and Bookshare would become obsolete if all print
books were easily
> accessible.  Something I think is greatly to be
desired, but not likely to
> happen any time soon.
> Though I do love hardcopy braille, and only NLS
provides that on a lending
> basis.
> Tracy
>
>>
>> I cannot imagine why anyone would say they hope
NLS and Bookshare will
>> become obsolete.
>>
>> Sue S.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Monica Willyard"
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>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:28 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Google
>>
>>
>> I don't think Bookshare will become obsolete
in part because Google isn't
>> scanning modern books of popular interest. Most of
their books are older
>> and/or more academic in scope. While we'd be
able to read out of print
>> books
>> on Google, we'd still need Bookshare to read
current bestsellers and other
>> recent content, books written in the past 20 years
or so. That could
>> change,
>> of course, but I doubt it would be within the next
five years. With 35
>> million books available in print right now, I
think there is plenty of
>> room
>> for Bookshare. Finally, Bookshare's business
model is different from how
>> Google Books works, and I think the two can be
compatible and will
>> supplement each other over time.
>>
>> Monica Willyard
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