[bksvol-discuss] Re: K1000 and editing .rtf files question
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:23:30 -0700
Hi Caitlyn,
Before you release the book, you could try this.
Rename the file that you have been working with just slightly. For
instance, if the name of the file is now Royal Pain In The Butt.rtf, rename
it to Royal Pain In The Butt1.rtf. Now, extract the file from the zip file
again. If you have changed the conversion settings so that K1000 will not
split long pages, you can now see how many pages the file originally had, in
case the number of pages was inflated by Kurzweil upon your opening it
originally there. That might help you to know which pages to delete and
which to keep.
I tell you to rename your original file because if you don't rename
it slightly, when you extract the file from the zip file, unless you extract
it to a different folder, it will want to over write the file already there
with the same name. You don't want to do that, as the file that will be
overwritten will be the one containing any changes you have made to the
book. That would be catastrophic., or at least it would feel that way to
me.
Something that might have happened, if you discover that both files
have all of these blank pages, telling you that Kurzweil is not the culprit
for having added extra pages, is that the scanner may have had his
recognition settings to recognize two pages per scan but only had one page
on the scanner. That can result in blank pages between all pages with print
on them. None of this will help you get rid of the blank pages if they
were there in the file originally uploaded to Bookshare as a submission, but
it may all help you to know why this annoyance occurred.
If you're very lucky, the original file won't have all of those blank pages
and you can just delete from your file that you've been working on the pages
that shouldn't be there. It is tedious, but would allow you to know for
certain which blank pages to delete.
Happy hunting!
Mayrie
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:28 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: K1000 and editing .rtf files question
Thanks, Mayrie. I made the change, and it should help future books. The
current one is still vastly inflated with blank pages which don't appear to
be used for anything except for maybe visual seperation.
I'm tempted to release this back to the queue for validation, but honestly,
I've already done so much work on it I'd not feel right about doing that.
Cait
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:51 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: K1000 and editing .rtf files question
Hi Cait,
Because you're working with rtf files, you'll want to disable "split
long pages" for rtf files in the conversion settings as you said. It
wouldn't hurt to have the same setting apply to txt files as well. It can't
hurt.
And just to clarify, you'll want to match the number of pages in Word and
Kurzweil immediately upon accessing the file once you download it to
validate, as well as just before uploading. That way you can know where
glitches occur if they do. I personally don't work with a file in kes
format or in Kurzweil if the number of pages doesn't match upon first
looking at the file in Word and Kurzweil immediately after downloading a
book for validation. My thinking for this is that if Kurzweil doesn't show
the same number of pages (and you want to make sure that those are pages
marked by hard page breaks only, not by soft page breaks in Word) then
Kurzweil isn't interpreting something in the rtf file properly and might
have trouble elsewhere with that file.
Happy validating.
Mayrie
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 12:23 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: K1000 and editing .rtf files question
Hi,
I'm using version 11 of K1000. Is this split long pages option in the
converstion menu/options for .txt or .rtf files? I'm ok with bouncing back
and forth between formats, problem is, I know just enough in both K1000 and
Word to be dangerous, but I am slightly more familiar with K1000 then with
Word. What you said about checking the number of pages in both programs
before submitting the final edited book makes perfect sense, though, and
I'll have a look around and change that one setting if I can find it.
Cait
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:44 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: K1000 and editing .rtf files question
Hi Caitlyn,
Could you tell us, please, what version of Kurzweil 1000 you're
using?
If you are using version 11 of K1000, you need to have the "split
long pages" option disabled under conversion settings. Not having this done
can result in extra blank pages in your document.
It is generally not recommended to convert back and forth between
formats. I have on occasion converted to kes format and then back to rtf
for final uploading as you suggest, but you need to make sure before you do
this that the number of pages is the same in Word as in K1000 before
converting. It is simpler to work with the rtf file in Word, if K1000 is
giving you trouble, if you have limited experience bouncing between formats
and knowing what to look for to make sure nothing gets lost in conversion.
Sorry, I haven't had any coffee yet, and can't remember what pitfalls might
await you if you convert to kes format. Not helpful, I know. I'll try to
think more clearly later, if you still have questions.
As far as I know, there is no way to make control characters such as page
breaks visible like there is in Word when using Kurzweil 1000. However, if
you would like to merge two pages, you can do so by placing your cursor on
the second of the two pages that you'd like to merge then press control
plus shift plus enter. That's an alternative to the erase page feature,
when the second page is blank, though no fewer keystrokes.
Hope some of that helps.
Mayrie
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:56 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] K1000 and editing .rtf files question
Hi Everybody,
I am trying to edit a book using K1000. This particular book has a *ton* of
useless blank pages which I am attempting to get rid of. It also has some
scanner extra chacters which I am editing out. I've read through a lot of
this book and made the changes I want to make, and saved the file every time
I made a change(paranoid, maybe??).. When I opened the file today, none of
the changes "stuck". Would it be better to do .rtf files in Word, or would
it be better to convert the m to a .kes file, edit them, then convert back
to .rtf? Further, is there a way to trun formatting info on in K1000 so I
could delete things like hard page breaks, etc, rather then hitting the
"delete page xxx" key?
Thanks!
Caitlyn
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