[bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers

Each book now has two ISBNs, a thirteen digit ISBN and a ten digit ISBN. The thirteen digit ISBN will begin with 978 and identifies the product as a book. Other products may have a thirteen digit code too, but the initial three digits will be something else. As books continue to be published and the available ISBNs deplete that first three digits will change. I think it will be 977, but I am not sure and that should be some time in the future anyway. The ten digit ISBN is something of a holdover. There were just too many books published before the thirteen digit ISBN was initiated to scrap them. The first nine digits of the ten digit ISBN will be identical to the fourth through twelfth digits of the thirteen digit ISBN. The last digit will most likely differ, but not necessarily. The reason it will differ is because it depends on a mathematical calculation performed on all the preceding digits. The 978 in the thirteen digit ISBN is included in the formula and so that final digit is most likely to be different. Besides simply counting the digits the different ISBNs are usually identified as ISBN 13 or ISBN 10 followed by a colon and then the ISBN. When doing an ISBN search it is a good idea to not include that label. Either the ten or digit or the thirteen digit ISBN will ordinarily work just as well to search for on any site, but do not mix them. Search for one or the other. And, like I said, I have found that even though it may vary from site to site it is generally better to do an ISBN search without the hyphens. If I am searching for a specific book I always search for the ISBN if I can because that returns the exact edition I am looking for. If I don't have an ISBN or if the book is so old that it doesn't have an ISBN then that is another matter.


On 3/19/2012 9:17 PM, Cindy wrote:

Oh o.k. But soometimes I've sen the ISBN number, start without the 13- or whatever and just the other numbers.
Anyway, I'm fglad you gave me the info.
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    *From:* Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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    If you left off the initial digit then that would definitely get
    you no results.

    On 3/19/2012 9:00 PM, Cindy wrote:
    Don't Know.I used All Departments as you suggested and put in the
    ISBN number without the hyphens and got no fresult. Then I put it
    in with the hyphens and got the result. --But wait, I also didn't
    use 1- and then the rest of the number the first time. I just
    started with the number after the 1- Maybe that was the reason
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        *From:* Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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        *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 4:28 PM
        *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers

        I am not sure why you had to put the hyphens in unless Amazon
        has changed something about their search. I learned a long
        time ago that ISBN searches on most any site just work better
        without the hyphens. Of course, by now I have been routinely
        removing them for long enough that if anything has changed I
        wouldn't know about it.

        On 3/19/2012 6:18 PM, Cindy wrote:
        Roger, Thank you very much. It worked perfectly, though I
        did have to put in the hyphens. Mike was right; The "cloth"
        is the hardcover and the "(paper)is paperback (I put in both
        ISBNs for fun; it's l like playinig with a new toy, though
        in this case learning about something new and enjoyng it so
        much I anted to do it again. grin
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            *From:* Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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            *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 8:25 AM
            *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers



            Just type the ISBN into the Amazon search field without
            any hyphens that might be in it. I would suggest leaving
            the search parameters to all departments.

            When you use that combo box to select a search in the
            books department it tends to return various editions of
            the book you are looking for and you will

            have the same dilemma. If you search all departments you
            will get results that describe the exact edition that
            you typed in the ISBN for. There may actually

            be more than one result. I don't know why, but Amazon
            often has more than one page for a specific edition and
            all but one of them has a paucity of information

            about the form that the book is in. If you click on the
            title of the first one displayed, though, you will get
            the page that tells you most about the exact

            ISBN edition you typed in. You might also want to try
            typing in the ISBN in the search field at
            OpenLibrary.org <http://OpenLibrary.org>. You can get a
            lot of metadata about the

            book there without a lot of clutter like customer
            reviews and recommendations and the such. I would not
            advise abandoning Amazon for Open Library though.

            Some of those entries at Open Library can be sparse too,
            but the good thing about Open Library is that when the
            entry is sparse you can fill in the missing

            information yourself if you have it.

            On 3/19/2012 6:03 AM, Cindy wrote:
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            Thnks, Mike I'll take Roger's advice and do that.  But
            I'm not sure how. Would I put my book into Amazon and
            see what ISBN number is used for it? (hopefully

            not both). Or do I just put the ISBN number in the books
            space and see what book it comes up with?
            Thanks to both you and Mike for you advice.

            Cindy
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            Hi Mike,

            You are so logical.  Thank you!  That makes total
            sense.  Forget what I said
            unless it works.

            Mayrie

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            I like Roger's idea to do a search on Amazon and see how
            each is described.
            Actually, I think cloth refers to hardcover and paper
            refers to paperback.
            In the dimness of time the cardboard covers of hardcover
            books were coated
            with cloth to help them last longer (and before that it
            was leather).
            Paper, I think is short for paperback.  I've seen books
            with both ISBNs and
            haven't a clue why the publishers would do it that way.

            Misha

            On 3/18/2012 10:44 PM, Cindy wrote:
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            >    Do a search on Amazon for each ISBN and see how
            each are described.
            >
            >    On 3/18/2012 10:00 PM, Cindy wrote:
            >>    My print book has both numbers; unlike most books
            I've seen it
            >>    doesn't hardbound or library copy, but I guess the
            "paper" must
            >>    be the hardcover one, so that's the ISBN number
            I'll use when I
            >>    upload.
            >>    Thanks, Mayrie
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            >>        *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:11 PM
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            >>
            >>        HI Cindy,
            >>        When filling out the form on the Bookshare web
            site to upload
            >>        your book to the approval queue, you use the
            ISBN that
            >>        applies to the exact book that you are
            proofreading.  I
            >>        suspect that the ISBN that  you want is the
            one for the
            >>        hardcover, not the cloth.  First, how many
            people are likely
            >>        to be able to scan a clothbound book, which I
            assume are less
            >>        commonly found in libraries, but more likely,
            when two isbn's
            >>        are listed, it is most common that the second
            applies to the
            >>        edition in which the numbers both appear.
            >>        Does that make any sense?
            >>        In short, please use the hardcover ISBN,
            unless you have a
            >>        concrete reason to believe that the cloth
            edition is the one
            >>        that was scanned.
            >>        Which matches your print copy?  Does knowing
            that help you?
            >>        Mayrie
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            >>        *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] ISBNnumbers
            >>
            >>        Darn  my memory. If my book has 2 ISBN
            numbers, one for cloth
            >>        and one for paper (which I assume is the
            hard-cover book I
            >>        have) should I put  only the  one for the one
            I think I have?
            >>        Or should I just not put ISBN number, or
            should I do both? (A
            >>        Actually, I don't think  I've seen this before
            in the print
            >>        book I've used for proofing, so maybe it isn't
            my memory at fault
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