[bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:44:21 -0400
She managed it by entering them by hand using Microsoft Word. For the
Silmarillion, and volume three of The History of Middle-earth, I believe she
was able to use Find and Replace to fix up all the subsequent occurrences of a
word with diacritical marks, once she did the first one. That was still quite a
bit of work, because there were a great many words with those marks. As you
know, the Index of Names in The Silmarillion was over 50 pages, and a lot of
those had various accent marks. But the first two volumes were even more time
consuming. Find and Replace could not be used in those because the marks were
not always employed consistently, so she had to do a lot of checking and
rechecking of the same words to ensure they weren't accented differently. A
great deal of work, indeed!
As to getting K1000 to recognize diacritical marks, first, see how many
languages you have at the moment. I believe that if you just did the default
install, you only get English and some computer languages and no foreign
languages, at least with FineReader, which I use because I believe it does a
better job. Go to Settings, and arrow down to Recognition Settings, hit enter
on it to open the dialogue box, then tab over to just after it tells you which
recognition engine is selected. It will say "English is checked." Use your up
and down arrow to hear what other languages are available. If you don't hear
any foreign languages, then we have to go to stage two, which involves
inserting your K1000 CD and modifying the installation to get the foreign
language packs. I'd rather not instruct you as to how to do that unless it is
necessary, because I don't remember the details of the process and I'll have to
go through it myself so as not to steer you wrong.
The lists for the foreign languages varies somewhat from OmniPage to
FineReader. Both are very large, however, if you install all of the language
packs, which I did. both have Greek and Latin, which I thought might interest
you. I could be wrong, because I didn't count them, but it appears that
FineReader has a slightly more extensive list, with languages I have never
heard of such as Even. It also includes three different Germans and Mongol.
But OmniPage has two listings for Gaelic, (I have no idea why two because they
aren't distinguished in any way as the German items are in FineReader), whereas
FineReader has only Scottish Gaelic under one listing.
Considering all the languages both recognition engines have, I was hoping to
find one for Middle English, or Old English in one or the other. But no such
luck. I have put off scanning volume four of The History of Middle-earth
because there is quite a bit of Middle English in it and I have no idea what to
do with that at the moment.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
Evan,
I, too, am glad she went to the effort and was wondering How she managed it.
Since you say you can do it with Kurzweil, please give the instruction if only
for future reference. I don't know if I will ever need them but there have been
times in the past when I have and I have two dictionaries in my to be scanned
list which very likely do need them so please those instructions [in simple
English, not Geekeze]. I have trouble with some instructions which assume I
know what I usually don't know. I recently tried to tell someone how to do
something in Kurzweil and ran into the problem that I could not tell her how to
do if the person is blind as I do it by sight and mouse. I did not know the
alt + [letter] or alt + ctrl + [letter] or other such combinations. If I am
correct and I am not the only one who wants these instructions you might want
to or be willing to give both types of instructions even though it is that much
extra work. And, for what it is wor th, you will have my gratitude.
Amy
omsm
--
It if be now, 'tis not to come,
If it be not to come, it will be now,
If it be now now, Yet it will come.
The readiness is all.
Wm. Shakespeare
-------------- Original message from "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
--------------
> After Lissi did the prodigious amount of work to put all of the
diacritical
> marks into the four books by J. R. R. Tolkien that she validated -- and
> there are a lot of them, I assure you -- I did some experimenting and
> discovered that adding a few foreign languages in the recognition process
in
> K1000 will deliver those marks into the original scan. Well, most of
them,
> anyway. OCR is not perfect, and so the diacritical marks will not be
> perfectly rendered either. Still, my experiments show that most of them
will
> be included in the scan, which will save a tremendous amount of work in
the
> future Tolkien books I have in mind to scan.
>
> I am glad that others do this work, if it is not in the original
submission,
> and I am equally glad that some people appreciate having the same text as
> sighted readers have access to. The author put them in the book, so I
> believe they should be reproduced as faithfully as we can. I used to be
much
> more casual about such things, but not anymore. And I also think that at
> least some speech software is aware of them and pronounces words with
them
> accordingly.
>
> So the work is definitely not useless, though admittedly it is tedious
for
> validators working with books containing them but the scans of which
don't
> have them. True, it is very unlikely that other books written in English
> will be riddled with them, as Tolkien's writing is, , but it can
> still be a good deal of work to put them in where they were in the book.
>
> Adding French and the Germans in the FineReader engine, which is what I
> generally use, seems to render the acutes, umlauts and circumflexes
pretty
> well, which are the primary ones I need. Of course, the better the
> recognition overall, the better everything will be recognized, including
the
> diacritical marks. So optimizing is always a good thing. Adding more
> languages is supposed to slow down the recognition process, and I think
it
> does, but not egregiously, at least not for my computer. And considering
the
> amount of work it will save down the road, especially for the Tolkien
books,
> it is well worth investing a little extra recognition time up front.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:46 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
>
>
> >I do it, too. A thrill of fear went through me when you suggested that
> >maybe it was useless--but then I remembered that we have sighted
members,
> >too.
> >
> > When I find a word or name that needs a diacritical mark (I think
that's
> > what they're called) I change it and then use replace all to change all
> > the names or words without it to the word that has it. If it is a
proper
> > name that could also be an ordinary word, I match case.
> >
> > I hope my explanation is clear and helpful. I'm not really sure how
clear
> > it is. I wish I could write like Lissi and Mayre and some of the rest
of
> > you.
> >
> > G.Cndy
> >
> >
> >
> > ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
> > AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
> > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> > http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
> >
> > A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
> >
> > Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
> >
> >> From: Gary Petraccaro
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 2:47 PM
> >> I do it where I can. If you're wasting your time, so am
> >> I.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marilyn Beasley"
> >>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:33 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Speech Users
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I hope you can answer a question for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm on Page 119 of a 700-page biography of a
> >> world
> >> >> traveler. All languages are included in proper
> >> nouns of
> >> >> people and places. I have been going through the
> >> tedious
> >> >> work of inserting special characters: the E's
> >> with accents
> >> >> going this way and that; a, e, i, o, and u with
> >> two little dots
> >> >> on top, N's with tildes on top, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Am i wasting my time because this is not
> >> necessary, maybe
> >> >> it even makes matters worse?
> >> >>
> >> >> I just want to make the best scan possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks so much,
> >> >> Marilyn
> >> >>
> >> >>
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