[bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:57:09 -0400
Oh, I should have mentioned that if you do have the foreign languages already
installed, then all you have to do is listen to what K1000 says as to whether
any particular language is checked or unchecked. It is unlikely that anything
other than English is checked. If you want it to recognize any other languages,
simply hit the space bar when you hear the name of the language you want as you
arrow up and down through the list. K1000 will then say that it is checked. If
you have K1000 set to speak a different message voice and reading voice, it
will speak the languages you have checked in the message voice and the ones you
have unchecked in the reading voice.
As I said, both recognition engines have very long lists of languages they
claim to be able to recognize if you install all those that are available. They
are listed alphabetically, but if you want a language starting with a specific
letter, you don't have to keep arrowing up or down until you reach it. You can
hit the first letter of the language you want and it will jump to the part of
the list of languages beginning with that letter.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
Evan,
I, too, am glad she went to the effort and was wondering How she managed it.
Since you say you can do it with Kurzweil, please give the instruction if only
for future reference. I don't know if I will ever need them but there have been
times in the past when I have and I have two dictionaries in my to be scanned
list which very likely do need them so please those instructions [in simple
English, not Geekeze]. I have trouble with some instructions which assume I
know what I usually don't know. I recently tried to tell someone how to do
something in Kurzweil and ran into the problem that I could not tell her how to
do if the person is blind as I do it by sight and mouse. I did not know the
alt + [letter] or alt + ctrl + [letter] or other such combinations. If I am
correct and I am not the only one who wants these instructions you might want
to or be willing to give both types of instructions even though it is that much
extra work. And, for what it is wor th, you will have my gratitude.
Amy
omsm
--
It if be now, 'tis not to come,
If it be not to come, it will be now,
If it be now now, Yet it will come.
The readiness is all.
Wm. Shakespeare
-------------- Original message from "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
--------------
> After Lissi did the prodigious amount of work to put all of the
diacritical
> marks into the four books by J. R. R. Tolkien that she validated -- and
> there are a lot of them, I assure you -- I did some experimenting and
> discovered that adding a few foreign languages in the recognition process
in
> K1000 will deliver those marks into the original scan. Well, most of
them,
> anyway. OCR is not perfect, and so the diacritical marks will not be
> perfectly rendered either. Still, my experiments show that most of them
will
> be included in the scan, which will save a tremendous amount of work in
the
> future Tolkien books I have in mind to scan.
>
> I am glad that others do this work, if it is not in the original
submission,
> and I am equally glad that some people appreciate having the same text as
> sighted readers have access to. The author put them in the book, so I
> believe they should be reproduced as faithfully as we can. I used to be
much
> more casual about such things, but not anymore. And I also think that at
> least some speech software is aware of them and pronounces words with
them
> accordingly.
>
> So the work is definitely not useless, though admittedly it is tedious
for
> validators working with books containing them but the scans of which
don't
> have them. True, it is very unlikely that other books written in English
> will be riddled with them, as Tolkien's writing is, , but it can
> still be a good deal of work to put them in where they were in the book.
>
> Adding French and the Germans in the FineReader engine, which is what I
> generally use, seems to render the acutes, umlauts and circumflexes
pretty
> well, which are the primary ones I need. Of course, the better the
> recognition overall, the better everything will be recognized, including
the
> diacritical marks. So optimizing is always a good thing. Adding more
> languages is supposed to slow down the recognition process, and I think
it
> does, but not egregiously, at least not for my computer. And considering
the
> amount of work it will save down the road, especially for the Tolkien
books,
> it is well worth investing a little extra recognition time up front.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:46 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
>
>
> >I do it, too. A thrill of fear went through me when you suggested that
> >maybe it was useless--but then I remembered that we have sighted
members,
> >too.
> >
> > When I find a word or name that needs a diacritical mark (I think
that's
> > what they're called) I change it and then use replace all to change all
> > the names or words without it to the word that has it. If it is a
proper
> > name that could also be an ordinary word, I match case.
> >
> > I hope my explanation is clear and helpful. I'm not really sure how
clear
> > it is. I wish I could write like Lissi and Mayre and some of the rest
of
> > you.
> >
> > G.Cndy
> >
> >
> >
> > ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
> > AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
> > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> > http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
> >
> > A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
> >
> > Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
> >
> >> From: Gary Petraccaro
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 2:47 PM
> >> I do it where I can. If you're wasting your time, so am
> >> I.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marilyn Beasley"
> >>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:33 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Speech Users
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I hope you can answer a question for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm on Page 119 of a 700-page biography of a
> >> world
> >> >> traveler. All languages are included in proper
> >> nouns of
> >> >> people and places. I have been going through the
> >> tedious
> >> >> work of inserting special characters: the E's
> >> with accents
> >> >> going this way and that; a, e, i, o, and u with
> >> two little dots
> >> >> on top, N's with tildes on top, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Am i wasting my time because this is not
> >> necessary, maybe
> >> >> it even makes matters worse?
> >> >>
> >> >> I just want to make the best scan possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks so much,
> >> >> Marilyn
> >> >>
> >> >>
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