[bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
- From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:17:15 +0000
Evan,
I, too, am glad she went to the effort and was wondering How she managed it. Since you say you can do it with Kurzweil, please give the instruction if only for future reference. I don't know if I will ever need them but there have been times in the past when I have and I have two dictionaries in my to be scanned list which very likely do need them so please those instructions [in simple English, not Geekeze]. I have trouble with some instructions which assume I know what I usually don't know. I recently tried to tell someone how to do something in Kurzweil and ran into the problem that I could not tell her how to do if the person is blind as I do it by sight and mouse. I did not know the alt + [letter] or alt + ctrl + [letter] or other such combinations. If I am correct and I am not the only one who wants these instructions you might want to or be willing to give both types of instructions even though it is that much extra work. And, for what it
is wor
th, you will have my gratitude.
Amy
omsm
--
It if be now, 'tis not to come,
If it be not to come, it will be now,
If it be now now, Yet it will come.
The readiness is all.
Wm. Shakespeare
-------------- Original message from "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>: --------------
> After Lissi did the prodigious amount of work to put all of the diacritical
> marks into the four books by J. R. R. Tolkien that she validated -- and
> there are a lot of them, I assure you -- I did some experimenting and
> discovered that adding a few foreign languages in the recognition process in
> K1000 will deliver those marks into the original scan. Well, most of them,
> anyway. OCR is not perfect, and so the diacritical marks will not be
> perfectly rendered either. Still, my experiments show that most of them will
> be included in the scan, which will save a tremendous amount of work in the
> future Tolkien books I have in mind to scan.
>
> I am glad that others do this work, if it is not in the original submission,
> and I am equally glad that some people appreciate having the same text as
> sighted readers have access to. The author put them in the book, so I
> believe they should be reproduced as faithfully as we can. I used to be much
> more casual about such things, but not anymore. And I also think that at
> least some speech software is aware of them and pronounces words with them
> accordingly.
>
> So the work is definitely not useless, though admittedly it is tedious for
> validators working with books containing them but the scans of which don't
> have them. True, it is very unlikely that other books written in English
> will be riddled with them, as Tolkien's writing is, , but it can
> still be a good deal of work to put them in where they were in the book.
>
> Adding French and the Germans in the FineReader engine, which is what I
> generally use, seems to render the acutes, umlauts and circumflexes pretty
> well, which are the primary ones I need. Of course, the better the
> recognition overall, the better everything will be recognized, including the
> diacritical marks. So optimizing is always a good thing. Adding more
> languages is supposed to slow down the recognition process, and I think it
> does, but not egregiously, at least not for my computer. And considering the
> amount of work it will save down the road, especially for the Tolkien books,
> it is well worth investing a little extra recognition time up front.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:46 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
>
>
> >I do it, too. A thrill of fear went through me when you suggested that
> >maybe it was useless--but then I remembered that we have sighted members,
> >too.
> >
> > When I find a word or name that needs a diacritical mark (I think that's
> > what they're called) I change it and then use replace all to change all
> > the names or words without it to the word that has it. If it is a proper
> > name that could also be an ordinary word, I match case.
> >
> > I hope my explanation is clear and helpful. I'm not really sure how clear
> > it is. I wish I could write like Lissi and Mayre and some of the rest of
> > you.
> >
> > G.Cndy
> >
> >
> >
> > ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
> > AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
> > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> > http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
> >
> > A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
> > http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
> >
> > Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
> >
> >> From: Gary Petraccaro
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Speech Users
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 2:47 PM
> >> I do it where I can. If you're wasting your time, so am
> >> I.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marilyn Beasley"
> >>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:33 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Speech Users
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I hope you can answer a question for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm on Page 119 of a 700-page biography of a
> >> world
> >> >> traveler. All languages are included in proper
> >> nouns of
> >> >> people and places. I have been going through the
> >> tedious
> >> >> work of inserting special characters: the E's
> >> with accents
> >> >> going this way and that; a, e, i, o, and u with
> >> two little dots
> >> >> on top, N's with tildes on top, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Am i wasting my time because this is not
> >> necessary, maybe
> >> >> it even makes matters worse?
> >> >>
> >> >> I just want to make the best scan possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks so much,
> >> >> Marilyn
> >> >>
> >> >>
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