[bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs

There are somtimes more than 5 books I'd like to have in my pile, because I can 
get the books from the library, and can take the time to do them carefully, and 
am willing to help people who are having problems but whose intentions are 
good. However, I decided that in the latter case I'll leave that for others, 
and I released a book or two. I now have 2 books that will take a long time 
(because they are long and I have 2 that will take less times--though one is 
very tricky because of the books' pagination--one of the worst problems to deal 
with I've come across. I don'tthink I've ever, at least not in many years, 
taken a book to proof only because it interested me. The difficult books I take 
do interest me (though on occasion  the book has proved to be not interesting 
but annoying. smile.
Cindy

Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned 
list available at sites below



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--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 12:28 PM
> That's what I was thinking. I can
> proofread only one book at a time and I really don't need to
> fill up my five checked out books limit. If one has five
> books checked out and then a whole lot of books on hold then
> I tend to think that person is biting off a bit more than he
> or she can chew. So far I have not had a book held for me at
> all. When I am ready to proof another one I can just go to
> the checkout list and see what is available. Yes, every now
> and then someone does mention a book here or I see it on the
> checkout list that I might be interested in, but if I don't
> get to proof it I can always download it from the collection
> later and just read it. As a matter of fact, if it is
> something I am very interested in I would rather let someone
> else proof it so that I can just read it and concentrate on
> the content rather than concentrate on looking for errors.
> Nevertheless, I do see some good reasons for holds; I just
> haven't had one of those reasons apply to me yet and it does
> appear that the majority of the holds do not have those
> reasons applying to them either.
> "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants
> them to do because I notice it always coincides with their
> own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
> 
> The Militant:
> http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International:
>  http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:13 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> 
> 
> > To help get us back on track, I think two weeks is
> plenty of time for a
> > person to download a book being held for them. After
> all, Carrie isn't
> > saying you have two weeks to finish working on a book.
> You just have two
> > weeks to do the initial download of your held book.
> This is an experiment to
> > see if a corrective measure will get books flowing
> again. It can be adjusted
> > if it doesn't work.
> > 
> > If you have five books in progress already so that you
> can't download a new
> > one being held for you, your plate is full. It's like
> eating at a buffet. No
> > matter how much you want to try many foods, you can
> only fit so much onto
> > one plate. You can't fit everything onto your plate.
> You have to eat what's
> > there and then go back for seconds if you want to.
> > 
> > Unless you urgently need credits, why not let another
> volunteer with no
> > books at all work on one of yours? Yes, there are
> special circumstances
> > sometimes, like with our sighted volunteers that are
> awaiting print books or
> > when the submitter may need to provide additional
> support for the
> > proofreader. However, sometimes I see people with 25
> to 30 books being held
> > for them. It isn't because there's something wrong
> with the books that needs
> > a certain skill. It's just because the two people like
> each other. There's
> > nothing wrong with liking each other. There is
> something wrong with one
> > person having 25 books to work on that they can't get
> to in a reasonable
> > amount of time when others are available to help.
> Letting books sit for
> > months before even beginning to work on them means
> that no one else can read
> > that book while it's lying around. That harms the
> entire Bookshare
> > membership since that book remains inaccessible until
> it's approved.
> > 
> > Most people are using holds responsibly. This issue
> keeps cropping up
> > because a few people are abusing the system. At one
> point, I only saw four
> > books without holds on the entire first page of 100
> titles. That's insane!
> > 
> > Monica Willyard
> > "The best way to predict the future is to create it."
> -- Peter Drucker
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  _____
> > 
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Carrie Karnos
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:07 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> > 
> > 
> > The limit of 5 books is an automated check that the
> system does, so I can't
> > change that. But what I can do is not remove HOLDs on
> books in the checkout
> > queue. If you want me to not remove a HOLD, please
> email me about it. What
> > we're hoping to accomplish with removing HOLDs is for
> books to be put into
> > the system in a timely manner. Maybe the backstory
> will help make this more
> > understandable.
> > 
> > The reason that there's a maximum of 5 books is
> because in the past, there
> > was no maximum, and of course, some members abused the
> system. They would
> > check out 20 books and spend months working a little
> here, a little there,
> > and eventually upload the books 6-12 months after they
> got them from the
> > checkout queue. It was REALLY frustrating for
> submitters to have to wait so
> > long for their books to go into the collection. And
> the other consequence
> > was that one submitter would put a book in, someone
> would check it out and
> > spend months on it. In the meantime, another submitter
> would put the same
> > book in the queue and another proofer would fix it up
> pronto, and upload the
> > book, and I'd approve it. The first submitter would
> get nothing for his
> > work, despite putting his book in before the second
> submitter.
> > (The oldtimers already know all this, but I thought
> I'd mention it for the
> > newbies.)
> > 
> > Anyway, let's give removing HOLDs a try and see how it
> goes. We can always
> > change the time limit if 2 weeks proves to be too
> short.
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone for your comments and your
> perseverance in helping to
> > make the scanning and proofing process better!
> > 
> > Carrie
> > 
> > 
> >  _____
> > 
> > From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 8:13:43 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> > 
> > Or to be able to ask Carrie or Pavi for a relax on the
> limit of 5 so it can
> > be with you as time permits.  that would work for
> me.
> > 
> > Valerie
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mike wrote:
> > 
> >> Since two weeks is the basic time for
> proofing/renewing a book, that would
> > mean if your checkout limit is full, you have to
> finish something in the
> > next two week period or lose the held book. 
> That's a rather strict
> > requirement.  I would say at least 4 weeks, maybe
> two months.  If you know
> > you can't get to it in two months, wouldn't it be just
> as easy for the
> > submitter to just not submit it until you are ready?
> >> 
> >> Misha
> >> 
> >> siss52 wrote:
> >>> I predict that most people will hate such a
> short span of time.  Only two
> > weeks?  Wow!!!
> >>> Sue S.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> *To:* Bookshare Vol Group <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:30 PM
> >>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Books with HOLDs
> >>> 
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> 
> >>> Since we've had loads of complaints about
> books with HOLDs in their
> > titles languishing in the checkout queue for weeks,
> months and years, the
> > Bookshare Collection Development department has
> instituted a new policy. If
> > a book has been on the checkout list for more than 2
> weeks with a HOLD in
> > its title, I will remove the HOLD to allow other
> people to proof the book.
> >>> 
> >>> On January 1st, I will remove the HOLDs on all
> books that were submitted
> > prior to December 1st. This is to give people time to
> finish their current
> > books and start on their new ones that have HOLDs on
> them. On January 15th,
> > I'll remove the HOLDs on any books that were submitted
> during December, and
> > then the 2-week rule will go into effect.
> >>> 
> >>> I know that some people will love this, and
> other people will hate it.
> > Let's try it for a while, and see how it goes. If the
> vast majority of
> > people hate this, then we'll revisit it.
> >>> 
> >>> By the way, having a time limit on HOLD books
> in the checkout queue was
> > one of the top suggestions in the volunteer survey
> that Pavi sent out. She
> > is working on an email to be sent to everyone that
> details the results of
> > the survey. The survey provided a huge amount of
> really valuable feedback,
> > so thanks very much to everyone who participated in
> it!
> >>> 
> >>> Happy holidays! Carrie
> >>> 
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