EE is worth the risk. The ATVers and dirt bikers are the ones I'm talking about. Since they can't buzz campers on the rim, they'll be there at sundown and early in the morning. Campsite or picnic area, EE has the facilities and that's the draw. What is good is they won't be lighting any nighttime campfires, prob just a few fireworks. No, my glasses are a lost cause, the bees can have them. Meeting in the HD parking lot you have the option of going to Taco Belch if the burger joint looks too busy. What's good about InNOut is it's on the same side of the freeway, you just go behind it and take a left at the light to get back on. I've always been able to park down the W side. Attn: Walmart shoppers. Jack I dunno, do you think that many more people know about EE than us, the hunters and dirt bikers? I mean, it's not as known and used as many of the Prescott and Coconino forest campsites. I don't even think that EE is really a campsite, rather a nice picnic area.... Also, I seriously doubt that a large number of people are willing to go camping for a long weekend in the desert where it'll be 110+ during the day. Besides, if it's too crowded, we can always head further in on that road. As long as we stay away from the Killer Bees that is!! :-0 Wanna go looking for your glasses Jack? Otherwise, Rick's proposed convoy sounds good. Can we meet somewhere besides the IN/OUT Burger? It's a ROYAL PAIN to get on the freeway from there. (besides, that parking lot is eternal crowded beyond belief.) How about get your eats and let's meet in the Home Depot parking lot, closest corner to Dysart and the IHOP? Bring your CBs..... Thad -- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. See this message's header if you want info about unsubscribing or the list's archive. This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.